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granpa
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Message 1 of 55 (821550)
10-08-2017 7:26 PM


Eden = Aden

http://religion.wikia.com/wiki/Aden

http://religion.wikia.com/wiki/At-a-glance/Table_of_Nations

Noah - Yemen
Ham - Nile
Shem - Euphrates
Japhet - Tigris

A local legend in Yemen states that Aden may be as old as human history itself. Some also believe that Cain and Abel are buried somewhere in the city

Land of Nod = India


Why BELIEVE that it will rain today when you can KNOW that it might rain today. Belief is unnecessary and illogical.

A moral person is a person that understands that the universe does not revolve around their ego.

A civilized society is a society whose laws do not revolve around any one person or group of people.
The more a society treats everyone as equals the more civilized it is.


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Message 2 of 55 (821552)
10-09-2017 10:52 AM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the Eden = Aden thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.
    
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Message 3 of 55 (821604)
10-09-2017 8:54 PM
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10-08-2017 7:26 PM


Why should I believe that?
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Message 4 of 55 (821605)
10-09-2017 8:57 PM
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10-09-2017 8:54 PM


Read my signature

Why BELIEVE that it will rain today when you can KNOW that it might rain today. Belief is unnecessary and illogical.

A moral person is a person that understands that the universe does not revolve around their ego.

A civilized society is a society whose laws do not revolve around any one person or group of people.
The more a society treats everyone as equals the more civilized it is.


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Message 5 of 55 (821611)
10-09-2017 9:12 PM
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10-09-2017 8:57 PM


Okay - done. Now what?
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Message 6 of 55 (821613)
10-09-2017 9:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by granpa
10-08-2017 7:26 PM


No flood
That "table of nations" link leads to a chart which relies on the flood as a starting point.

The evidence shows there was no such flood during human history. That kind of renders the chart useless, don't you think?


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Message 7 of 55 (821614)
10-09-2017 9:21 PM
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10-09-2017 9:17 PM


Re: No flood
The table of Nations relies only on genesis 10. I have no idea what you are talking about.

If you want to talk about the flood then read this:
http://religion.wikia.com/wiki/At-a-glance/The_Flood2

Edited by granpa, : No reason given.

Edited by granpa, : No reason given.


Why BELIEVE that it will rain today when you can KNOW that it might rain today. Belief is unnecessary and illogical.

A moral person is a person that understands that the universe does not revolve around their ego.

A civilized society is a society whose laws do not revolve around any one person or group of people.
The more a society treats everyone as equals the more civilized it is.


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Message 8 of 55 (821617)
10-09-2017 9:35 PM
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10-09-2017 9:21 PM


Re: No flood
If you want to talk about the flood then read this:

I don't need to read that.

My own personal archaeological research disproves a global flood during historic times. This is based on continuity of Native American cultures, mtDNA, and sedimentation, along with the lack of erosional or depositional features that would be associated with such a flood. This evidence cross-cuts the date commonly attributed to the global flood.

But we do have evidence of local floods in the state of Washington that are three times older than the purported global flood. Google "channeled scablands." These left evidence that can be clearly read and both the extent and timing of those floods can be determined.

Similar evidence exists all over the world.

The obvious conclusion is that there was no global flood during historic times.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Message 9 of 55 (821620)
10-09-2017 9:40 PM
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10-09-2017 9:35 PM


Re: No flood
LOL
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Message 10 of 55 (821623)
10-09-2017 9:43 PM
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10-09-2017 9:40 PM


Re: No flood
Whatever happened to wanting to debate rationally and calmly?

Are you a liar?


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Message 11 of 55 (821625)
10-09-2017 9:45 PM
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10-09-2017 9:40 PM


Re: No flood
granpa writes:

LOL

granpa writes:

I'm here to discuss things rationally and calmly.

Your simplistic "LOL" response suggests that you're here to do neither.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Message 12 of 55 (821626)
10-09-2017 9:45 PM
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10-09-2017 8:57 PM


What is your evidence?
Why BELIEVE that it will rain today when you can KNOW that it might rain today. ...

This is a virtual tautology. It might rain anywhere anywhen. This tells us nothing.

The sky might turn green.

So tell me how old you think the earth is?

Was there a flood? If yes, when?

And most important ... what is your evidence?

Enjoy

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Message 13 of 55 (821629)
10-09-2017 9:48 PM
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10-09-2017 9:43 PM


Re: No flood
Dude I already tried posting that whole text about the flood and the thread was closed. I can't post a link and I can't post the text either. What do you want me to do?
http://www.evcforum.net/Threads.php?control=ta
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Message 14 of 55 (821630)
10-09-2017 9:49 PM
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10-09-2017 9:45 PM


Re: What is your evidence?
Already answered that in the thread that got closed. What do you want me to do?

Edited by granpa, : No reason given.


Why BELIEVE that it will rain today when you can KNOW that it might rain today. Belief is unnecessary and illogical.

A moral person is a person that understands that the universe does not revolve around their ego.

A civilized society is a society whose laws do not revolve around any one person or group of people.
The more a society treats everyone as equals the more civilized it is.


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Message 15 of 55 (821631)
10-09-2017 9:50 PM
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10-09-2017 9:48 PM


Re: No flood
What do you want me to do?

I want you to think about what we wrote, and then write a response to that here and now.


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