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Message 16 of 55 (821632)
10-09-2017 9:52 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Coyote
10-09-2017 9:45 PM


Re: No flood
If he had read the link that I posted he would have realized that his comment was completely out of place. I would love to post the text on that page but when I do that I get called out for copying and pasting. When I post a link then I get told I'm not allowed to do that either. I'm between a rock and a hard place here and you're just making it worse.
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Message 17 of 55 (821638)
10-09-2017 10:04 PM
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10-09-2017 9:52 PM


Re: No flood
If he had read the link that I posted he would have realized that his comment was completely out of place. I would love to post the text on that page but when I do that I get called out for copying and pasting. When I post a link then I get told I'm not allowed to do that either. I'm between a rock and a hard place here and you're just making it worse.

All you have to do is post in your own words why my archaeological and genetic evidence showing there was no flood in historic times is wrong.

Cut and pastes are not suitable responses on this website. Show what supporting evidence you have in your own words, as I have done in my post presenting the archaeological evidence that disproves the global flood during historic times.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

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Message 18 of 55 (821639)
10-09-2017 10:06 PM
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10-09-2017 10:04 PM


Re: No flood
Those are my words. I wrote that.
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Message 19 of 55 (821642)
10-09-2017 10:15 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by granpa
10-09-2017 9:49 PM


Re: What is your evidence?
Already answered that in the thread that got closed. What do you want me to do?

Answer the questions. I'm trying to parse out single arguments for you to defend one at a time rather than the whole caboodle.

(1a) Was there a flood (you apparently think so)? (1b) If so, when was it?

(2) How old do you think the earth is?

(3) What is your evidence?

The later bit is the most important, as it provide verifiability for your arguments. Opinions are useless.

Let me demonstrate:

(1a) Nope. (3(1)) There is no evidence of a singular world wide flood event. There is evidence that one has not occurred in the continuity of life and the geological evidence on each continent.

(2) at least 4.5 billion years old. (3(2)) See Age Correlations and An Old Earth, Version 2 No 1*, which also has evidence that no flood occurred while that evidence was accruing.

Enjoy

* or the revised, reformatted and updated versions The Age of the Earth Part 1: Biological Counting Systems and The Age of the Earth Part 2: Physical/Chemical Counting Systems, and The Age of the Earth Part 3: Radiometric and Cosmogenic Measuring Systems.


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Message 20 of 55 (821643)
10-09-2017 10:18 PM
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10-09-2017 10:15 PM


Re: What is your evidence?
That's exactly what I've been trying to do. I opened an entire thread to discuss that exact thing. It got closed. I posted a link to the page where I answer all those questions and I'm told that I can't do that either. I'm not going to rewrite an entire article just for you.

Why BELIEVE that it will rain today when you can KNOW that it might rain today. Belief is unnecessary and illogical.

A moral person is a person that understands that the universe does not revolve around their ego.

A civilized society is a society whose laws do not revolve around any one person or group of people.
The more a society treats everyone as equals the more civilized it is.


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Message 21 of 55 (821647)
10-09-2017 10:24 PM
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10-09-2017 10:18 PM


Re: What is your evidence?
That's exactly what I've been trying to do. I opened an entire thread to discuss that exact thing. It got closed. I posted a link to the page where I answer all those questions and I'm told that I can't do that either. I'm not going to rewrite an entire article just for you.

What to do is obvious to anyone with a brain.


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Message 22 of 55 (821648)
10-09-2017 10:24 PM
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10-09-2017 10:18 PM


Re: What is your evidence?
That's exactly what I've been trying to do. I opened an entire thread to discuss that exact thing. It got closed. I posted a link to the page where I answer all those questions and I'm told that I can't do that either. I'm not going to rewrite an entire article just for you.

So don't copy and paste your argument, just present it anew. In bits. starting with these 4 points:

Did a flood occur?

When?

How old is the eart?

What is your evidence?

Enjoy


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Message 23 of 55 (821650)
10-09-2017 10:26 PM
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10-09-2017 10:24 PM


Re: What is your evidence?
I am not going to rewrite an entire article just for you.
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Message 24 of 55 (821652)
10-09-2017 10:30 PM
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10-09-2017 10:26 PM


Re: What is your evidence?
I am not going to rewrite an entire article just for you.

Curiously, I did not ask you to. I only asked you to answer four simple questions:

Did a world wide flood occur?

If yes, when did that happen?

How old do you think the earth is?

What is your evidence.

Capice?


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Message 25 of 55 (821653)
10-09-2017 11:48 PM
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10-09-2017 10:30 PM


Re: What is your evidence?
I started an entire thread to answer those exact questions and it was deleted. I just posted a link to a page answering those exact questions and I'm told that that's not acceptable either. Now you are demanding that I answer the exact questions that I was trying to answer in the first place.

Why BELIEVE that it will rain today when you can KNOW that it might rain today. Belief is unnecessary and illogical.

A moral person is a person that understands that the universe does not revolve around their ego.

A civilized society is a society whose laws do not revolve around any one person or group of people.
The more a society treats everyone as equals the more civilized it is.


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Message 26 of 55 (821659)
10-10-2017 7:41 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by granpa
10-09-2017 11:48 PM


Re: What is your evidence?
I started an entire thread to answer those exact questions and it was deleted. I just posted a link to a page answering those exact questions and I'm told that that's not acceptable either. Now you are demanding that I answer the exact questions that I was trying to answer in the first place.

So condense it down.

Was there a world wide flood? Yes No

If "yes" then when did it happen? ______________ Billion Million Thousand years ago.

How old do you think the earth is? ______________ Billion Million Thousand years old.

Answer these questions and then we can get to your evidence.

The purpose is to understand your position, I'm trying to make it easy for you.

Enjoy

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Message 27 of 55 (821666)
10-10-2017 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by granpa
10-09-2017 11:48 PM


Re: What is your evidence?
Look, I "get" that you think:

quote:
Theia and the flood: 3 billion years ago Theia's decaying orbit reached the Roche limit ...
Then 2.4 billion years ago the dunite was deposited. This created the banded iron formations. The dunite sank to the bottom of the mantle. ...
... First the ices (water, carbon dioxide, & ammonia) on its surface were deposited. This created Earths ocean (and atmosphere). Since the earth at that time had no continents the water completely flooded its surface. ...
If Noah was born 3 billion years ago then Adam was born 4.5 billion years ago. ...

We can skip for now your earth building concept and the extra moons.

None of that says how old the earth is, or when a mythical flood purportedly occurred (other than implying that it was +/-3 billion years ago ....

quote:
Lunar recession and Earth receding from the sun: However, the current rate of lunar recession is consistant with the observation that there were 400 days in a year 620 million years ago if the Earth was closer to the Sun (because the year would be shorter). Its orbital radius would have to have been 0.9589 au at that time.

If the rate of recession is inversely proportional to the cube of the orbital radius then that puts the Earth just inside the sun 4.5 billion years ago.



This is mixed with a sprinkling of facts ("the observation that there were 400 days in a year 620 million years ago").

But it tells me nothing about the age of the earth or when a mythical flood purportedly occurred. It does tell me that you have problems with your math (because a closer orbit around the sun would have fewer days).

Crucifixion and the lunar eclipse of June 14 of 29 AD and El-o-Hym = ολω-Hym = All-Human = No ego also tell me nothing about the age of the earth or when a mythical flood purportedly occurred.

So you see I am not ignoring your closed posts, I am just trying to clarify certain points before delving further into your scenario.

Enjoy


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Message 28 of 55 (821671)
10-10-2017 12:20 PM
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10-08-2017 7:26 PM


granpa writes:

Some also believe that Cain and Abel are buried somewhere in the city


They're fictional characters. What difference does it make where they're fictionally buried?
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Message 29 of 55 (821712)
10-11-2017 11:59 AM
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10-09-2017 11:48 PM


Re: What is your evidence?
quote:
I just posted a link to a page answering those exact questions

You seem to be having trouble with the concept of "in your own words". Do people writing new books about old topics simply copy the old books and call it a day?

quote:
"Now you are demanding that I answer the exact questions that I was trying to answer in the first place."

Yes, in your own words use the links you posted to present us an argument then cite your source (High School writing)


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Message 30 of 55 (821736)
10-11-2017 4:56 PM
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10-11-2017 11:59 AM


Re: What is your evidence?
You seem to be having trouble with the concept that those are my words

Why BELIEVE that it will rain today when you can KNOW that it might rain today. Belief is unnecessary and illogical.

A moral person is a person that understands that the universe does not revolve around their ego.

A civilized society is a society whose laws do not revolve around any one person or group of people.
The more a society treats everyone as equals the more civilized it is.


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