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DC85
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Message 31 of 55 (821743)
10-11-2017 6:37 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by granpa
10-11-2017 4:56 PM


Re: What is your evidence?
quote:
You seem to be having trouble with the concept that those are my words

I wish I knew this was acceptable in college, I would have just told my professor to "read this book" and it would have been done with. Easy A , right?


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Message 32 of 55 (821744)
10-11-2017 6:41 PM
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10-11-2017 6:37 PM


Re: What is your evidence?
Did you write the book?

Why BELIEVE that it will rain today when you can KNOW that it might rain today. Belief is unnecessary and illogical.

A moral person is a person that understands that the universe does not revolve around their ego.

A civilized society is a society whose laws do not revolve around any one person or group of people.
The more a society treats everyone as equals the more civilized it is.


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DC85
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Message 33 of 55 (821745)
10-11-2017 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by granpa
10-11-2017 6:41 PM


Re: What is your evidence?
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Did you write the book?

Did you write those links?


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Message 34 of 55 (821746)
10-11-2017 6:45 PM
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10-11-2017 6:42 PM


Re: What is your evidence?
Yes

Why BELIEVE that it will rain today when you can KNOW that it might rain today. Belief is unnecessary and illogical.

A moral person is a person that understands that the universe does not revolve around their ego.

A civilized society is a society whose laws do not revolve around any one person or group of people.
The more a society treats everyone as equals the more civilized it is.


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DC85
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Message 35 of 55 (821747)
10-11-2017 6:49 PM
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10-11-2017 6:45 PM


Re: What is your evidence?
You added those pages to the Wiki? I see little source on the pages themselves
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Message 36 of 55 (821748)
10-11-2017 6:51 PM
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10-11-2017 6:49 PM


Re: What is your evidence?
I've added many pages to many wikis

Why BELIEVE that it will rain today when you can KNOW that it might rain today. Belief is unnecessary and illogical.

A moral person is a person that understands that the universe does not revolve around their ego.

A civilized society is a society whose laws do not revolve around any one person or group of people.
The more a society treats everyone as equals the more civilized it is.


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granpa
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Message 37 of 55 (821749)
10-11-2017 6:54 PM
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10-11-2017 6:49 PM


Re: What is your evidence?
Granpa ADMIN

75,142 EDITS SINCE JOINING THIS WIKI
25 JANUARY 2010


Why BELIEVE that it will rain today when you can KNOW that it might rain today. Belief is unnecessary and illogical.

A moral person is a person that understands that the universe does not revolve around their ego.

A civilized society is a society whose laws do not revolve around any one person or group of people.
The more a society treats everyone as equals the more civilized it is.


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Message 38 of 55 (821751)
10-11-2017 8:04 PM
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10-11-2017 6:54 PM


Re: What is your evidence?
Pointing to something written by you and edited by you is not very good evidence of anything except the fact that you might have written the material being referenced.

My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios     My Website: My Website

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AdminPhat
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Message 39 of 55 (821753)
10-11-2017 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by granpa
10-09-2017 9:48 PM


Forum Guidelines
Granpa, to NCE writes:

Dude I already tried posting that whole text about the flood and the thread was closed. I can't post a link and I can't post the text either. What do you want me to do?

If you are the author of your own source and wish to discuss your own source here, it is imperative that you discuss the evidence behind your source. Otherwise, you are simply spamming and trying to plug your work.

The reason that your initial thread was not promoted was in part due to rules against spamming. Forum Guidelines If you do not wish to provide evidence, you must at least attempt to provide a conversation. That's what we require in lieu of spam.

Edited by AdminPhat, : No reason given.


  • Please stay on topic for a thread. Open a new thread for new topics.
  • Points should be supported with evidence and reasoned argumentation.
  • The sincerely held beliefs of other members deserve your respect. Please keep discussion civil. Argue the position, not the person.

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    granpa
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    Message 40 of 55 (821754)
    10-11-2017 8:11 PM
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    10-11-2017 8:08 PM


    Re: Forum Guidelines
    Your story keeps changing and your excuses keep getting thinner and thinner.

    I didn't even provide a link to my article in the original thread that got closed. So how in the world do you call that spam?

    I was told that the thread was closed because I didn't provide a link to the original article. Now I am told that if I had provided a link to the original article that that would be spam. I can't win

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    Why BELIEVE that it will rain today when you can KNOW that it might rain today. Belief is unnecessary and illogical.

    A moral person is a person that understands that the universe does not revolve around their ego.

    A civilized society is a society whose laws do not revolve around any one person or group of people.
    The more a society treats everyone as equals the more civilized it is.


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    AdminPhat
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    Message 41 of 55 (821755)
    10-11-2017 8:19 PM
    Reply to: Message 40 by granpa
    10-11-2017 8:11 PM


    Re: Forum Guidelines
    Get beyond all of that. I am not here to argue with you nor is anyone else except in the context of your topic. Do you wish to have a discussion with our members or not?
    granpa writes:

    I started an entire thread to answer those exact questions and it was deleted. I just posted a link to a page answering those exact questions and I'm told that that's not acceptable either. Now you are demanding that I answer the exact questions that I was trying to answer in the first place.

    RAZD simply asks you to begin a discussion and answer four questions. If you cant even do that you are wasting everyone's time.

    Edited by AdminPhat, : No reason given.


  • Please stay on topic for a thread. Open a new thread for new topics.
  • Points should be supported with evidence and reasoned argumentation.
  • The sincerely held beliefs of other members deserve your respect. Please keep discussion civil. Argue the position, not the person.

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    granpa
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    Message 42 of 55 (821756)
    10-11-2017 8:37 PM
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    10-11-2017 8:19 PM


    Re: Forum Guidelines
    I answered his questions before he even asked them in the thread that got closed

    Edited by granpa, : No reason given.


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    Phat
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    Message 43 of 55 (821757)
    10-11-2017 8:53 PM
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    10-11-2017 8:37 PM


    Re: Forum Guidelines
    Let me give you another perspective from myself as a member rather than an administrator. Here at EvC we have two basic discussion lines of argument/persuasion. Science, which requires evidence.(and not the Bible as evidence either) or Faith/Belief in which you can assert anything you want, but must provide a clue to your reasoning.

    As I review your links, I have some questions.

    You started a thread at Religion Wiki. At-a-glance/The Flood2. I am taking the time to read your links...which is actually not expected from our members. Lets say you were a famous author. You arrive at a college for a Q&A Lecture. Are you simply going to encourage the audience to read your book or will you take the time to explain yourself during your lecture? Do you see my point?

    Anyway, at this link, you seem to be conflating evidence as directly from the Bible. For purposes of discussion, the Bible is not sufficient in and of itself to be a source of evidence. In this article, you also begin your narrative with basic assertions.

    Wiki writes:

    There is geological and paleontological evidence that Earth rotated faster and that the Moon was closer to Earth in the remote past. Tidal rhythmites are alternating layers of sand and silt laid down offshore from estuaries having great tidal flows. Daily, monthly and seasonal cycles can be found in the deposits. This geological record indicates that 620 million years ago there were 400±7 solar days/year.

    Yet I can't find links to your evidence.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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    JonF
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    Message 44 of 55 (821760)
    10-11-2017 9:54 PM
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    10-11-2017 8:53 PM


    Re: Forum Guidelines
    I don't think much of this guy, but lack of references to moon recession is arguably valid. His numbers are at least close to correct. The phenomenon is well known in some circles, and the claim that it disproves an old Earth is an ancient PRATT.

    The Recession of the Moon

    TL: DR
    the recession rate is not constant and was slower in the past.

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    Coyote
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    Message 45 of 55 (821761)
    10-11-2017 9:57 PM
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    10-11-2017 8:37 PM


    Re: Forum Guidelines
    You have never replied to the evidence I presented in Message 8 that shows there was no flood in historic times.

    Are you willing to debate this issue?


    Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

    Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

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