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Author Topic:   Bernie Sanders is a Centerist
DC85
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Message 1 of 76 (822141)
10-19-2017 11:59 PM


In another ongoing topic about primaries a few comments peaked my interest and it got me wondering where exactly is the political "center" is. If you ask those in DC, they would swear to you that the country is "center right" and that we are much closer to Republicans as a nation than to the left. Indeed when people are polled and asked to label themselves they do tend to favor calling themselves "moderate" or "conservative" ( U.S. Conservatives Outnumber Liberals by Narrowing Margin )
However , when you look at polls on individual issues they tell a different story majorities are almost always to the left on a given issue
Healthcare and Single payer around 60% of Americans support ( 60% in US say health care coverage is government’s responsibility | Pew Research Center )
Increasing the minimum wage increase has wide bipartisan support ( http://thehill.com/...majority-supports-raising-minimum-wage )
Heck even in deep red state South Carolina a resounding 2/3 support wage increase ( http://www.thestate.com/...ogs/the-buzz/article13757501.html )
THe majority including a majority of Republicans support Tuition free college ( https://morningconsult.com/...stabs_Politico_LIM_v1_AP-1.pdf )
Virtually any topic, Americans are on what is called the left and in line with Senator Sanders , How is it that that such a huge disconnect exists ?
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DC85
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Message 3 of 76 (822143)
10-20-2017 1:37 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Coyote
10-20-2017 1:06 AM


Once people realize that they might have to pay for the "freebies," attitudes change a lot.
What wide source do you have for this? In my experience people are fine with marginal tax increases so long they understand what is gained from it. Here is an example from where I live http://www.richmond.com/...-4673-11e3-9fdb-0019bb30f31a.html

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DC85
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Message 11 of 76 (822176)
10-20-2017 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by New Cat's Eye
10-20-2017 12:44 PM


What taxes are you talking about? Federal income taxes?
Yes indeed for example he took the top rate from 70% down to 28%
He also increased taxes 11 times but most of those impacted the middle class and poor, these were ranged from taxing social security to removing deductions and benefit programs. He also barred pension recipients from getting Social Security despite still having to pay the pay roll tax

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DC85
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Message 14 of 76 (822188)
10-20-2017 6:37 PM
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10-20-2017 4:49 PM


How could these taxes have been shifted from the rich to the poor/middle if the rich are still paying most of the taxes?
They had their taxes lowered while taxes that impact middle and poor people were increased.
Now I know you aren't playing this game as we are talking about percentages of income.

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DC85
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Message 72 of 76 (823250)
11-08-2017 7:44 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by RAZD
11-08-2017 7:03 AM


Re: Progressive takes governorship in New Jersey with 56% of the vote.
Wonder if the DNC is paying attention.
They are more likely to pay more attention to the Northam victory in Virginia as proof that the established faux "centrism" works
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