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Percy
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Message 91 of 122 (822814)
11-01-2017 5:02 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Faith
11-01-2017 12:59 PM


Re: The Flaherty Piece Examined Paragraph by Paragraph
Faith writes:

New Cat's Eye writes:

Faith writes:

It's been discussed to death for a year now with all the evidence you could ask for,

I'm asking for that evidence... where can I find it?

Remember: opinions don't count.

Oh opinions like Flaherty's which cover a lot of factual information do indeed count.

What factual information would that be? I went through the Flaherty opinion piece in detail in my Message 54, and I didn't find much factual. You're response in Message 59 was to ignore the entire analysis and repeat your accusation that the Mueller investigation was actually a coverup of Clinton misdeeds.

So what is this factual information that you keep mentioning but never describing? In fact, where is anything of a factual nature from you in this entire thread?

--Percy


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Message 92 of 122 (822818)
11-01-2017 5:20 PM


The Best Answer...
...to the Trump spin on George Papadopoulos’ indictment

McSweeneys


    
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Message 93 of 122 (822822)
11-01-2017 6:04 PM


Clinton Should Get Her Money Back
If Clinton "colluded with Russia" then she should get her money back. What did she get out of the deal? Unflattering emails were stolen from the DNC by Russian state sponsored hackers which were released through Wikileaks. Russian state sponsored propagandists spread fake news stories across social media that were targeted to specific voting precincts in order to help Donald win. Is this what it should look like if Clinton was colluding with Russia to influence the election?
  
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Message 94 of 122 (822824)
11-01-2017 7:21 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by JonF
11-01-2017 8:59 AM


Re: Fake Or Real? How To Tell
I see you've been accused of lying about this. I presume you believe it's true. It isn't.

I don't want to put too fine a spin on this. A statement can be a lie if the originator lied when he made it up. People who repeat lies, may or may not be lying. When careless people repeat crap without any attempt whatsoever to discern the truth, we might say they are reckless, or foolish, or liars, or just plain bad company. Why even discuss the color of orange juice with such a person?

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Message 95 of 122 (822826)
11-02-2017 5:10 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by PaulK
10-31-2017 4:34 AM


Re: Fake Or Real? How To Tell
Well, it's a reprint from the daily caller. The reputation of the daily caller when it comes to facts is mixed.
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Message 96 of 122 (822831)
11-02-2017 9:46 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by ramoss
11-02-2017 5:10 AM


Re: Fake Or Real? How To Tell? Look at the evidence.
Well, it's a reprint from the daily caller. The reputation of the daily caller when it comes to facts is mixed.

And looking at Flaherty's other articles shows that his opinion bias is hard right, and willing to accept conspiracy theory arguments.

The whole piece is a conflation of old rehashed alt-right myth and conspiracy theories and the whole purpose of it is to (A) deflect people's attention away from the Mueller investigations and (B) to appeal to the gullible Trump supporters and con them into thinking that the Russian investigation is minor, meant to cover up the "real" (ie fake) purpose of ignoring the Clinton "Uranium scandal" (that never existed except in the minds of alt-reich myth/conspiracy theory whacko right wing nutjobs).

It has obviously been successful on (B) with Faith. I suspect many Trump followers are also conned.

It also has obviously had little success on (A) with people that read news for facts, and who are patiently waiting for the next shoe to drop in the Mueller investigations.

It is almost humorous to watch Faith desperately defending this hack opinion piece as having any vestige of factual evidence in it, especially seeing as it is mostly rehashed old debunked conspiracy claims that were old a year ago.

Perhaps Faith (and others) should listen to Joy Reid:

quote:
MSNBC Host Schools Guest On The Facts Behind A Clinton Conspiracy Theory

Many saw Trump's mention of the deal, among other Clinton-related topics, as a distraction from news about Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian interference in the election, which led to charges against three former Trump campaign officials on Monday.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

Uranium deal to Russia, with Clinton help and Obama Administration knowledge, is the biggest story that Fake Media doesn't want to follow!

As HuffPost explains, Uranium One was a Canadian company with mining operations in the United States, a portion of which was sold in 2010 to the mining arm of a Russian nuclear energy agency, as approved by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States.

On her show Sunday, Reid pulled apart what her show's Twitter account called a "fake news story" about Clinton's supposed involvement in approving the deal, which seemingly stems from reports that the Clinton Foundation had received donations from Uranium One investors. "We're not going to get derailed, but I want to ask you a couple of fact-based questions," Reid told her guest.

As Reid pointed out and Kerns admitted, Clinton, who was secretary of state at the time, did not "sit personally" on the Uranium One deal when it was being approved by CFIUS. She also made sure to remind Kerns (and viewers) that the uranium being mined "is for nuclear power ... not for nuclear bombs," and noted that Clinton Foundation donor Frank Giustra had sold his stake in Uranium One before Clinton was secretary of state.

"So what you're talking about is a deal that nine members of CFIUS approved unanimously," Reid summed up. "None of them was Hillary Clinton. You have a donor who separately gave Hillary Clinton donations at a time when she was not secretary of state. The two things cross in the night, they have no relation to each other."


Note that the CFIUS members have also stated that they would approve the deal again, now.

One really needs to watch the clip to see how badly the Trump people would like fiction to be fact and fact to be fiction.

Enjoy

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Message 97 of 122 (822832)
11-02-2017 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by RAZD
11-02-2017 9:46 AM


Re: Fake Or Real? How To Tell? Look at the evidence.
One really needs to watch the clip to see how badly the Trump people would like fiction to be fact and fact to be fiction.

One might just read this thread and see that kind of desire hotly expressed. We are extremely lucky to have a resident poster who is unwilling or unable to hide their thought processes as they form or endorse one ridiculous opinion after another.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking — they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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Dr Adequate
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Message 98 of 122 (822833)
11-02-2017 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by ramoss
11-02-2017 5:10 AM


Re: Fake Or Real? How To Tell
Well, it's a reprint from the daily caller. The reputation of the daily caller when it comes to facts is mixed.

I wouldn't have said "mixed".


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Message 99 of 122 (822835)
11-02-2017 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by NoNukes
11-02-2017 10:18 AM


Re: Fake Or Real? How To Tell? Look at the evidence.
NoNukes writes:

We are extremely lucky to have a resident poster who is unwilling or unable to hide their thought processes as they form or endorse one ridiculous opinion after another.

I concur in a very non-sarcastic sense. Many of us wonder how someone can be taken in by these unfounded conspiracy theories, and it is very educational to have someone who can help us understand that process.


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Message 100 of 122 (822841)
11-02-2017 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by Taq
11-02-2017 11:38 AM


Re: Fake Or Real? How To Tell? Look at the evidence.
I concur in a very non-sarcastic sense. Many of us wonder how someone can be taken in by these unfounded conspiracy theories, and it is very educational to have someone who can help us understand that process.

It's like: "Everything that I want to believe is a true fact and everything that I don't is not."


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Message 101 of 122 (822901)
11-03-2017 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by New Cat's Eye
11-02-2017 12:30 PM


Re: Fake Or Real? How To Tell? Look at the evidence.
It's like: "Everything that I want to believe is a true fact and everything that I don't is not."

And I heard it from a reputable source ...

that I know is reputable because they have said things I liked before ...

(authoritarianism)

Enjoy


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Message 102 of 122 (822949)
11-03-2017 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by RAZD
11-03-2017 10:41 AM


Re: Fake Or Real? How To Tell? Look at the evidence.
And I heard it from a reputable source ...

that I know is reputable because they have said things I liked before ...

Don't believe everything you read. Don't read everything you believe.


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Message 103 of 122 (822957)
11-03-2017 11:14 PM


Just more and more evidence of the Great Polarization in American politics. Half the country knows Trump did not collude with Russia but that Clinton did; the other half thinks the opposite. I pray that God will finally biing the undeniable truth to light.
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Message 104 of 122 (822964)
11-04-2017 4:06 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by Faith
11-03-2017 11:14 PM


quote:

Just more and more evidence of the Great Polarization in American politics. Half the country knows Trump did not collude with Russia but that Clinton did; the other half thinks the opposite. I pray that God will finally biing the undeniable truth to light.

It seems to me that much of the polarisation comes from the extreme and growing partisanship - and concomitant disregard for the truth - found on the right.

It also seems to me that letting the investigations proceed would be the best way of bringing the truth to light.

Those who sink to the level of smearing the investigators - and those who promote those smears as “real news” obviously do not want the truth to be found.


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Message 105 of 122 (822968)
11-04-2017 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by Faith
11-03-2017 11:14 PM


Just more and more evidence of the Great Polarization in American politics. Half the country knows Trump did not collude with Russia but that Clinton did; the other half thinks the opposite. I pray that God will finally biing the undeniable truth to light.

Haven't Trump Jr and Papadopoulos already brought the truth to light on that one?


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