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Faith
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Message 106 of 122 (822974)
11-04-2017 12:13 PM
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11-04-2017 11:38 AM


Nope.
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Faith
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Message 107 of 122 (822975)
11-04-2017 12:14 PM
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11-04-2017 4:06 AM


The lies are on the Left, just showing another bit of the usual polarization. If the investigator is a fraud as Flaherty says he is, it is not smearing him to say so.
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Message 108 of 122 (822978)
11-04-2017 12:23 PM
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11-04-2017 12:14 PM


quote:

The lies are on the Left, just showing another bit of the usual polarization.

Coming from someone caught lying in this thread that is hardly convincing.

quote:

If the investigator is a fraud as Flaherty says he is, it is not smearing him to say so.

Given Flaherty’s dishonesty and lack of any actual evidence I think we are very safe calling it a baseless smear.


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Message 109 of 122 (822979)
11-04-2017 12:23 PM
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11-03-2017 11:14 PM


There is no evidence extant that Hillary colluded with Russia and plenty of reasons to believe she did not. She was not involved in the Uranium One sale, she could not have affected it, and the donation to the Clinton foundation was made by a former employee of the Russian company and there is no reason to think it had any affect.

This has been known for months. It's come up again as a frantic effort to distract from the investigation of the Trump campaign that's producing so much damning evidence.

Hillary Clinton Gave 20 Percent of United States' Uranium to Russia in Exchange for Clinton Foundation Donations? and many, many other sources that don't lie as your sources do.

ABE See also the explanation on the previous page.

Edited by JonF, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 110 of 122 (822982)
11-04-2017 12:35 PM
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11-04-2017 12:13 PM


Nope.

So when Trump's son released emails showing he and Trump's son-in-law and Trump's campaign manager were meeting with representatives of the Russian government to discuss "Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump" ...

... well, what are you claiming? That Trump Jr fabricated the emails in order to falsely implicate himself? What?


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Message 111 of 122 (822984)
11-04-2017 12:42 PM
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11-04-2017 12:13 PM


Faith writes:

Dr Adequate writes:

Faith writes:

Just more and more evidence of the Great Polarization in American politics. Half the country knows Trump did not collude with Russia but that Clinton did; the other half thinks the opposite. I pray that God will finally biing the undeniable truth to light.

Haven't Trump Jr and Papadopoulos already brought the truth to light on that one?

Nope.

Well, I see you're already reduced to single word responses. Papadopoulos has already pled guilty to lying to the FBI about his meeting with the Russians, and Trump Jr. held four meetings with the Russians. Is this all just smoke, or is there fire, too? How would we know without an investigation?

One thing we do know is that innocent people don't try to inappropriately influence investigations or, God forbid, shut them down. Trump is not behaving like someone who has nothing to hide.

As Taq already eloquently explained in Message 93, your Clinton collusion charge is absurd:

Taq in Message 93 writes:

If Clinton "colluded with Russia" then she should get her money back. What did she get out of the deal? Unflattering emails were stolen from the DNC by Russian state sponsored hackers which were released through Wikileaks. Russian state sponsored propagandists spread fake news stories across social media that were targeted to specific voting precincts in order to help Donald win. Is this what it should look like if Clinton was colluding with Russia to influence the election?

By the way, did you hear the news that two popular Trump supporters on Twitter were revealed to be the creation of a Russian troll factory, Jenna Abrams and Pamela Moore: Two popular conservative Twitter personalities were just outed as Russian trolls. I think it's safe to expect that no Russians trolling for Clinton will ever be identified.

--Percy


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Message 112 of 122 (822993)
11-04-2017 1:35 PM


Trump Objects to Investigation of Business Deals
Source: Trump attorney: We’ll challenge Mueller if he investigates old real estate deals

Jay Sekulow of Trump's legal team was quoted as saying, "We’d view that as outside the scope of legitimate inquiry.
We’d raise it."

In a July interview in the NYT Trump responded to the possibility of Mueller investigating his personal finances by saying, "No, I think that’s a violation. Look, this is about Russia. So I think if he wants to go, my finances are extremely good, my company is an unbelievably successful company."

Trump doesn't sound like someone who thinks his business transactions could stand up to legal scrutiny.

And what does, "So I think if he wants to go..." mean? It could be interpreted as, "If Mueller wants to be fired, he should just try going after my finances."

--Percy


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Message 113 of 122 (822994)
11-04-2017 3:54 PM
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11-04-2017 1:35 PM


Re: Trump Objects to Investigation of Business Deals
Well, I still have a bad taste in my mouth from Starr's investigation of President Clinton. I don't think it's inappropriate to limit the scope of Mueller's investigation to all-things-Russia. If anything else comes to light, that can be passed to an ordinary prosecutor.

I understand, though, that others may have another opinion.



Progress is not an illusion, it happens, but it is slow and invariably disappointing. - George Orwell

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Message 114 of 122 (822996)
11-04-2017 4:57 PM
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11-04-2017 3:54 PM


Re: Trump Objects to Investigation of Business Deals
What about business deals in Russia or with Russians ?

“All-things-Russia” is going to include some business deals, I’m sure.


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Percy
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Message 115 of 122 (823015)
11-05-2017 8:14 AM
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11-04-2017 3:54 PM


Re: Trump Objects to Investigation of Business Deals
The investigation may already have wandered off the "all things Russia" ranch, depending upon how you define it. While Papadopoulos pleaded guilty about lying to the FBI about a meeting with the Russians, the Mannafort and Gates indictments are about hiding their income from lobbying efforts for pro-Russian groups in the Ukraine. From the NYT article Former Trump Aides Charged as Prosecutors Reveal New Campaign Ties With Russia:

quote:
The tax and money laundering case against Mr. Manafort describes a complicated scheme in which he lobbied for a pro-Russia party in Ukraine and its leader, Viktor F. Yanukovych, and hid proceeds in bank accounts in Cyprus, the Grenadines and elsewhere. Prosecutors say he laundered more than $18 million, and spent the money extravagantly. A home improvement company in the Hamptons was paid nearly $5.5 million, according to the indictment. More than $1.3 million more went to clothing stores in New York and Beverly Hills, Calif.

The Gates charges are basically the same.

Does lobbying for a pro-Russia group in the Ukraine qualify as "all things Russia"?

--Percy


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Message 116 of 122 (823154)
11-06-2017 3:22 PM
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11-03-2017 11:14 PM


Faith writes:

Just more and more evidence of the Great Polarization in American politics. Half the country knows Trump did not collude with Russia but that Clinton did; the other half thinks the opposite. I pray that God will finally biing the undeniable truth to light.

I am still fascinated by the underlying psychology that allows people to say such things.


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Message 117 of 122 (823155)
11-06-2017 3:24 PM
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11-04-2017 12:14 PM


Faith writes:

The lies are on the Left, just showing another bit of the usual polarization. If the investigator is a fraud as Flaherty says he is, it is not smearing him to say so.

We already showed that the accusations against Clinton are false, so why do you continue to act as if they are true? Do you just plug your ears and cover your eyes and hope these facts will go away?


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Faith
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Message 118 of 122 (823163)
11-06-2017 4:02 PM
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11-06-2017 3:24 PM


I don't accept the claim about Clinton's innocence. But when I opened this thread I said I knew I wasn't up on all the information involved. I continue to believe that the true facts are as I stated there, and pray that God will bring out all the truth soon.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 119 of 122 (823165)
11-06-2017 4:19 PM
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11-06-2017 4:02 PM


I don't accept the claim about Clinton's innocence. ...

Hillary is not lily-white, no question, but the evidence shows there was no involvement in the Uranium One deal, that there was no quid-pro-quo, and that rehashing it at this time show desperation to deflect the conversation away from dorado don trump. Again please watch:

http://www.politicususa.com/...inton-uranium-conspiracy.html

... But when I opened this thread I said I knew I wasn't up on all the information involved. ...

So the prudent thing is to accept that Hillary was not involved in a boondoggle with Uranium One, that it was a standard business deal that would be passed again now ... because it was a standard business deal.

... I continue to believe that the true facts are as I stated there, and pray that God will bring out all the truth soon.

Good luck with that. Meanwhile a real issue is the Democrat Primary corruption ... because it challenges our democratic institutions and processes.

That would be a real issue.

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Message 120 of 122 (823167)
11-06-2017 4:34 PM
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11-06-2017 4:02 PM


Faith writes:

I don't accept the claim about Clinton's innocence. But when I opened this thread I said I knew I wasn't up on all the information involved. I continue to believe that the true facts are as I stated there, and pray that God will bring out all the truth soon.

You were already shown the truth, and you still refuse to accept it because it contradicts your beliefs. For example, the dossier was contracted through a US firm and used a UK national and former MI6 agent as one of its sources. How in the world is that "colluding with Russia"? Can you explain that?


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