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Phat
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Message 1 of 38 (823068)
11-05-2017 4:29 PM


NPR writes:

Federal authorities are responding to a shooting at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, a small community southeast of San Antonio. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has tweeted that special agents from its San Antonio field office have been dispatched to the scene.

A man walked into the church during a service late Sunday morning and "began firing," the local Wilson County News reports, citing county Sheriff Joe Tackitt. The paper notes that Tackitt "confirmed there were multiple casualties and multiple fatalities."

Right now the news media is not in consensus regarding details...
s many as 25 people were killed when a gunman opened fire at a church in small Texas town outside of San Antonio on Sunday morning, police told NBC News.
A single gunman opened fire at the First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, killing approximately 25 people, Wilson County Sheriff Joe Tackett said.
The shooter was among the dead, Tackett said.
What kind of terrorism is expected in a small Texas town?

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Phat
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Message 2 of 38 (823074)
11-05-2017 4:51 PM
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11-05-2017 4:29 PM


Developing Story
The news media is developing the story as it unfolds. The FBI is undoubtedly going to take over the investigation. Several thoughts on the matter(It happened just this morning)
[*(] If this was domestic terrorism, why would someone shoot their own choir?
  • If this was foreign terrorism, it really hits America right in the privates below the Bible Belt! Meanwhile, Trump is playing Golf in Japan. Just as the Archduke in Sarajevo before World War I, this incident will galvanize conservative Americans and liberals alike to find a common enemy.

  • could this be a simple action of another lone loon nut job? Some people will easily claim that satan was involved in this one! Realistically, the issue will again come up about guns and gun control.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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    Message 3 of 38 (823076)
    11-05-2017 4:58 PM
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    11-05-2017 4:51 PM


    Re: Developing Story
    Phat writes:

    If this was foreign terrorism, it really hits America right in the privates below the Bible Belt! Meanwhile, Trump is playing Golf in Japan. Just as the Archduke in Sarajevo before World War I, this incident will galvanize conservative Americans and liberals alike to find a common enemy.

    The Common Enemy.


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    Phat
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    Message 4 of 38 (823077)
    11-05-2017 5:07 PM
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    11-05-2017 4:58 PM


    Re: Developing Story
    Wonder whom we will collectively blame? I suppose in conservative Texas, they will blame satan unless ISIS claims responsibility.

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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    Message 5 of 38 (823083)
    11-05-2017 5:55 PM
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    11-05-2017 5:07 PM


    Re: Developing Story
    That side of San Antonio is pretty conservative. Now to the North West of San Antonio it might be different.

    Texas is not monolithic. Lloyd Bentsen's old home is a couple blocks west of me.


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    Message 6 of 38 (823087)
    11-05-2017 7:24 PM


    It is somewhat unseemly to pontificate about an event of this nature when we do not know diddly squat. What we are being told now is that 26 people are dead. There will be plenty of time to discuss the politics.

    Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

    I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking — they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

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    Message 7 of 38 (823125)
    11-06-2017 11:25 AM
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    11-05-2017 4:29 PM


    Phat writes:

    What kind of terrorism is expected in a small Texas town?


    "Dog bites man" isn't even news.
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    Phat
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    Message 8 of 38 (823127)
    11-06-2017 12:05 PM
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    11-06-2017 11:25 AM


    News Clearing Up...
    More details are coming out in the news. One family lost 3 generations! The stories are heart-wrenching as expected from these tragedies. The impact of such an irrational act always creates many ripples in the fabric of society that travel far.

    One detail that is unclear of this writing is how the suspect died. He was pursued by a neighbor who grabbed his own rifle. Even if the neighbor ended up killing him I wouldn't be in favor of pressing charges---the man prevented more deaths.

    You all have access to ample news media and reports.

    As NoNukes says, we will have time to discuss this in more detail in a week.


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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    Message 9 of 38 (823128)
    11-06-2017 12:15 PM
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    11-06-2017 12:05 PM


    Re: News Clearing Up...
    He was pursued by a neighbor who grabbed his own rifle. Even if the neighbor ended up killing him I wouldn't be in favor of pressing charges---the man prevented more deaths.

    The reports I have seen today, says that he was shot by a neighbor and was wounded seriously. Apparently after being shot, he elected to shoot himself.

    Of course, the person who shot him will not be charged, but insisting that the man prevented more deaths is just speculation. We really don't know enough yet to say what would or could have happened.


    Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

    I was thinking as long as I have my hands up … they’re not going to shoot me. This is what I’m thinking — they’re not going to shoot me. Wow, was I wrong. -- Charles Kinsey

    We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

    Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

    I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith


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    Phat
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    Message 10 of 38 (823258)
    11-08-2017 10:25 AM
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    11-06-2017 12:15 PM


    Re: News Clearing Up...
    The news is clearing up about the suspect. He was thought to be first of all mentally unstable, though the USAF blew it by not reporting his domestic violence and threats on base to the national database.

    Hewas thought to be a somewhat militant atheist, judging from some of his social media posts and content...he thought that Christians were *stupid*.

    I'm sure the evangelical right will run with that one awhile...it makes it easier for them to blame Satan. I never read up on where his Mother-In-Law was that Sunday...he was thought to have been targeting either her or the whole church.

    Sandy Hook was the first time children were targeted, and this marks another time....yet critics say that the debate is over if nothing has been done thus far.


    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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    Message 11 of 38 (823393)
    11-09-2017 4:47 PM


    To Mr. Ryan
    If thoughts and prayers work (http://thehill.com/...-to-do-after-mass-shootings-because-it), how come it didn't stop the shooting from taking place?

    They were, after all, in a church, sending their thoughts and prayers to god right then and there.


    Rrhain

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    Message 12 of 38 (823486)
    11-10-2017 5:33 PM
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    Re: To Mr. Ryan
    They were, after all, in a church, sending their thoughts and prayers to god right then and there.

    Well it was a Sunday gods day off.


    Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

    What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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    Message 13 of 38 (823496)
    11-10-2017 9:56 PM
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    Re: To Mr. Ryan
    I would give you a cheer frako if the whole thing wasn't so fucking sad.
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    Message 14 of 38 (823504)
    11-11-2017 5:26 AM
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    11-10-2017 9:56 PM


    Re: To Mr. Ryan
    It has gone past sad decades ago. Now its just insane.

    Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

    What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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    Message 15 of 38 (823551)
    11-12-2017 1:50 PM
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    11-11-2017 5:26 AM


    Re: To Mr. Ryan
    Shall we blame guns, or human nature? Shall we blame mental illness or the Air Force? Shall we blame religion? Or was Pogo right?

    Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
    ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
    Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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