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NoNukes
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Message 196 of 200 (831047)
04-11-2018 2:43 PM
Reply to: Message 194 by Percy
04-08-2018 7:53 AM


Re: Ted Nugent Goes on Hate Filled Tirade
Nugent's comments are remarkably consistent in their emphasis on fact-free accusations and judgments.

Supposedly, we are seeing the new, moderated speech Ted Nugent and not the one that told Obama to suck on his machine gun.

Ted is infinitely ignorable.


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Message 197 of 200 (831118)
04-12-2018 9:04 AM
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04-11-2018 2:43 PM


Re: Ted Nugent Goes on Hate Filled Tirade
NoNukes writes:

Ted is infinitely ignorable.

I'm making sure I ignore him in all his commercial expressions.

--Percy


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Message 198 of 200 (831181)
04-13-2018 5:04 PM
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04-12-2018 9:04 AM


This from NPR:
How Often Do People Use Guns In Self-Defense?

quote:
  • The latest data show that people use guns for self-defense only rarely. According to a Harvard University analysis of figures from the National Crime Victimization Survey, people defended themselves with a gun in nearly 0.9 percent of crimes from 2007 to 2011.

  • "The average person ... has basically no chance in their lifetime ever to use a gun in self-defense," he tells Here & Now's Robin Young. "But ... every day, they have a chance to use the gun inappropriately. They have a chance, they get angry. They get scared."
  • Guns just don't add up...unless one believes the argument that an unarmed populace can be controlled by an armed oppressive government.

    Even then, simply owning a gun is no guarantee that the average person knows how to use it.


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    Message 199 of 200 (831183)
    04-13-2018 5:14 PM
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    04-13-2018 5:04 PM


    Re: This from NPR:
    quote:
    Japan has one of the lowest rates of gun crime in the world. In 2014 there were just six gun deaths, compared to 33,599 in the US. What is the secret?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-38365729

    Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.


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    Percy
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    Message 200 of 200 (831188)
    04-13-2018 6:25 PM


    All Americans know that the solution to school shootings is to arm teachers. There's nothing that could go wrong and everything that could go right. Even our president, the smartest man in world (ask him, he'll tell you, but don't ask him right now because against the advice of his lawyers (naturally) he's on his cell to fellow co-conspirator Michael Cohen), knows we have to arm teachers.

    But as obvious as this is, now comes news that possibly casts doubt on this best of all solutions. Stoneman Douglas Teacher Arrested After Forgetting Loaded Gun at Beach, says the New York Times headline. Sean Simpson, interviewed after the shooting as willing to consider being an armed teacher, this past weekend left his Glock 9 mm in a beach restroom where it was discovered by a homeless man who fired a shot into a wall, killing it instantly.

    But not to worry because of course this is just an isolated incident. We all know it is incredibly rare for people to ever get angry or depressed or mentally ill or careless, so let the arms flow. Shootings can happen anywhere, so we have to arm not just teachers but WalMart clerks, beauticians, postal workers, surgeons and receptionists, to name but a few.

    But we can't stop there. Americans are winners, and it's not enough that we lead the wealthy countries of the world in gun death rate by at least 3 or 4 times, we should lead by at least 10 times or 20 times or more. We'll have to take proactive measures to achieve this, of course. We'll need a law that everyone be armed with guns, safeties off, in your hand at all times with finger on the trigger. I can see some problems with things like typing, bagging groceries and juggling, but we'll adjust.

    --Percy


        
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