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Percy
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Message 557 of 607 (842585)
11-03-2018 8:46 AM
Reply to: Message 553 by jar
11-02-2018 8:20 PM


Re: Another snub nosed day.
Matthew 26:52 “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.”

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 558 of 607 (842586)
11-03-2018 8:53 AM


Another Shooting
Three left dead after yoga studio shooting in Tallahassee, Florida. Five were wounded. The shooter killed himself and is one of the three dead.

If only those people in their yoga tights had been packing...

--Percy


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Phat
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Message 559 of 607 (842587)
11-03-2018 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 557 by Percy
11-03-2018 8:46 AM


Snubbing His Nose At Statistics
jar may argue that Jesus did not advocate abolishing swords. The question would be where the swords "place" was. Let's see what his response might be. All that aside, it is evident from the recent arguments in this thread that you advocate no guns and these guys advocate the right (continued right) to own and carry them. I doubt that statistics will ever persuade them to change their mind. In the meantime, this topic will continually highlight the many times in the United States that guns contributed to death. I have yet to see any stories on how guns prevented more death, but there may be one or two out there.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 560 of 607 (842588)
11-03-2018 9:31 AM
Reply to: Message 558 by Percy
11-03-2018 8:53 AM


Re: Another Shooting
Mass shootings forcing Americans to train for battlefield life-saving procedures

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Percy
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Message 561 of 607 (842589)
11-03-2018 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 559 by Phat
11-03-2018 9:21 AM


Re: Snubbing His Nose At Statistics
Phat writes:

jar may argue that Jesus did not advocate abolishing swords. The question would be where the swords "place" was.

I think it's pretty safe to say that Jesus wasn't in favor of walking around armed.

I doubt that statistics will ever persuade them to change their mind.

I agree. For what is almost a religious calling for them, facts don't matter. Or in ICANT's case, he doesn't dispute the facts but argues they don't apply to him because he's superman.

I have yet to see any stories on how guns prevented more death, but there may be one or two out there.

I don't think there is any doubt that there are examples of guns preventing injury or death. But they cause far more injuries and deaths than they prevent.

--Percy


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Straggler
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Message 562 of 607 (842594)
11-03-2018 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 556 by jar
11-03-2018 8:36 AM


Re: Another snub nosed day.
Oh c’mon - You’ve gotta admit that there is a certain (how can I phrase this?) “sensuality” in your descriptions of firearms and related paraphernalia that deserves to be mocked. I’m half expecting you to start your next post with something like “A gun should be treated like a beautiful woman....”

But we get it. You’ve got a hard-on for guns. Nice.

That’s a reason to continue advocating them. A shit reason. But ultimately probably the best you’ve got.


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jar
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Message 563 of 607 (842618)
11-03-2018 7:51 PM
Reply to: Message 562 by Straggler
11-03-2018 1:14 PM


Re: Another snub nosed day.
Yes, little boys like you often see such things. But soon you will grow up. Maybe.

But you do need to learn about honesty and stop misrepresenting what others say.

Edited by jar, : No reason given.


My Sister's Website: Rose Hill Studios     My Website: My Website

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Message 564 of 607 (842624)
11-04-2018 4:32 AM
Reply to: Message 563 by jar
11-03-2018 7:51 PM


Re: Another snub nosed day.
Today I shall be packing a personal favourite of mine.

It’s lightweight ergonomic design fits perfectly both into the palm of my hand and the bespoke pearl encrusted holster I have recently had commissioned. In the holster it’s light but reassuring presence on my hip is a source of considerable satisfaction. Even when my hands are moist with perspiration, as often happens to me when handling this particular gem of a firearm, the grip is sure and firm. I sometimes use two hands when firing off for the extra feel and accuracy. The double action cocking (oooh...) device provides a smooth and consistent action with just the right amount of pressure required. In terms of pure unadulterated pleasure combined with all the functionality you will ever need I can’t recommend this piece enough.

Enjoy.

https://goo.gl/images/vkLWDx

Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.


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Percy
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Message 565 of 607 (842626)
11-04-2018 8:55 AM
Reply to: Message 563 by jar
11-03-2018 7:51 PM


Re: Another snub nosed day.
jar writes:

Straggler writes:

Oh c’mon - You’ve gotta admit that there is a certain (how can I phrase this?) “sensuality” in your descriptions of firearms and related paraphernalia that deserves to be mocked. I’m half expecting you to start
your next post with something like “A gun should be treated like a beautiful woman....”

Yes, little boys like you often see such things. But soon you will grow up. Maybe.

It's not uncommon to become emotionally attached to beautiful and potent things, and your gun fetish is obvious, admiring their beauty and power and lovingly displaying them upon your hip. And no wonder, just look at the images! Look at the way the velvety supple leather holster envelops and molds itself around the gun, especially the barrel where bullets ejaculate out into the world seeking union:

And that handle! A matte black finish with a Taurus emblem inlay that conforms to your hand in almost euphoric fashion, your finger on the trigger seeking consummation. What's not to love?

Actually it's obvious what's not to love. Anyone in possession of a gun increases the danger to himself and all around him. Only an irrational and emotional attachment to guns keeps people from recognizing this.

--Percy


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Message 566 of 607 (842646)
11-04-2018 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 549 by ICANT
11-02-2018 4:50 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:

Guns are tools. I classify an AR15 as a toy.


That's a silly distinction. An AR15 is a gun. If guns are tools, then an AR15 is a tool whether you have any use for one or not.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ICANT
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Message 567 of 607 (842679)
11-05-2018 12:44 AM
Reply to: Message 566 by ringo
11-04-2018 1:06 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi ringo

ringo writes:

That's a silly distinction. An AR15 is a gun. If guns are tools, then an AR15 is a tool whether you have any use for one or not.

You have your opinion of what the AR15 is and I have my opinion.

I don't play with dangerous toys, and no one else should.

But those that do have a constitutional right to do so. If people don't like it they can change it.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Percy
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Message 568 of 607 (842682)
11-05-2018 7:52 AM


Gun Not Locked Up, Boy, 11, Kills Grandmother, Self
From 11-year-old shoots grandmother, kills self after refusing to clean his room, police say:

quote:
PHOENIX — An 11-year-old boy in Arizona fatally shot his grandmother before turning the gun on himself after refusing to clean his room Saturday, officials said.
...
The couple were sitting on the couch watching TV together when the grandson came up behind his grandmother and shot her in the back of the head, [Maricopa County Sheriff's Office spokesman Sgt. Joaquin] Enriquez said.

The grandfather first ran after the grandson before returning to help his wife. He then heard gunshots as his grandson shot himself.

Enriquez said the gun belonged to the grandfather...


Obviously the grandfather had not securely stored his firearm. Now his wife is dead and his grandson is dead, and instead of riding off into his sunset years surrounded by family he will be alone. He no doubt had the gun for protection against criminals, but as is so often the case (because you can't fight statistics), the gun was instead used against family.

--Percy


    
Percy
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Message 569 of 607 (842683)
11-05-2018 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 567 by ICANT
11-05-2018 12:44 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
ICANT writes:

ringo writes:

That's a silly distinction. An AR15 is a gun. If guns are tools, then an AR15 is a tool whether you have any use for one or not.

You have your opinion of what the AR15 is and I have my opinion.

I don't play with dangerous toys, and no one else should.

Guns are toys to you gun nuts. No one should possess instruments of death whose sole functions are threat and intimidation and homicide and suicide (which, of course, excludes hunting rifles).

But those that do have a constitutional right to do so. If people don't like it they can change it.

You obviously don't like weapons like the AR-15, having disparagingly referred to it as a toy, so don't you want to change the law? Won't you work with us to get them banned?

I can only guess, since you haven't responded to my Message 551 and Message 552, that you are ignoring me. You don't want to respond to my comments on the series of absurd things you said in Message 545?

You seem to believe gun registration important since you mentioned your belief that any gun purchased at a gun shop is automatically registered, so since no state requires that all guns be registered, and since less than 20% of states require any registration at all, and since registration that requires recording each gun's unique rifling pattern would help catch shooters, won't you work with us to require registration of all guns?

--Percy

Edited by Percy, : Typo.


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ICANT
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Message 570 of 607 (842685)
11-05-2018 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 569 by Percy
11-05-2018 8:15 AM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy

Percy writes:

Guns are toys to you gun nuts.

Percy quit jumping to conclusions.

I said an AR15 to me was a toy. That means it would be something to go out in the woods and shoot up a bunch of trees with. Problem is you can't eat trees and I don't shoot things I can't eat. The only exception to that is if someone was trying to kill me.

There are weapons that are a lot more dangerous than an AR15. It just happens that the AR15 is the one the looney's choose to use.

Percy writes:

homicide and suicide

Most homicide's and suicides are performed with a pistol. Which is much more efficient than a AR15 would be. You could really hurt yourself with a AR15 without killing yourself.

Percy writes:

(which, of course, excludes hunting rifles).

The AR15 is classified as a rifle and can be used for hunting. But I would not recommend it for that purpose. In fact I would not recommend it for any purpose other than to show off.

Percy writes:

I can only guess, since you haven't responded to my Message 551 and Message 552, that you are ignoring me.

Percy it is hard to have a conversation with somebody that is continually calling you a liar, a fool, and an idiot by their insinuations.

Percy writes:

You seem to believe gun registration important since you mentioned your belief that any gun purchased at a gun shop is automatically registered,

I went to a gun show Saturday. They had 25 people that were conducting background checks on people. The people would fill out the papers and then wait for the results to came back. If they cleared the background check they were allowed to purchase the weapon they were trying to buy. If they failed the background check they were not allow to purchase the weapon. By law these papers must be destroyed within 24 hours.

It is against the law for a state of Federal gun registry to be kept.

I would not be in favor of a State or Federal gun registry being kept as that could then be used to confiscate weapons.

I know you trust our government to do things in our best interest.
I don't trust politicians any further than I can throw them. They go to Washington with good intentions and after a few years they are just as corrupt as those that have been there 40 years.

I could trust them a lot more if they went to Washington served one term being paid the same as an enlisted man in the army and then going back to their regular life.

There has been over 5 billion dollars spent on the mid-term election. That money was spend expecting a ROI. (return on investment)

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 571 of 607 (842687)
11-05-2018 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 551 by Percy
11-02-2018 6:05 PM


Re: Today's carry package:
Hi Percy

Percy writes:

Is there anyone, not just in this thread but anywhere in the world, who has claimed that seat belts prevent motor vehicle accidents? No, of course not. Then why are you saying such a silly thing?

Straggler had put forth seat belts as a regulation on automobiles.

Insinuating that guns have no regulations.

Cars are to be built to certain specifications and so are guns.
The specifications of the car will not stop it from having a wreck.
The specifications of the gun will not stop it from being used to kill someone.

The human involved is the problem with both causing over 80,000 deaths per year in the US.

All I was trying to do was to show that government rules do not stop the activities of people in the use of autos or guns.

God Bless,


"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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