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Phat
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Message 121 of 129 (842980)
11-11-2018 2:31 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by ringo
11-11-2018 2:26 PM


Re: The Great Rescue
ringo writes:

What would YOU be doing if Jesus was here? Would you be refusing to His face to do what He said? Would you say He was poisoned by left-wing propaganda (far, far left)?

I would certainly be more impressed if He took a moment to point out what I could better be doing in my life rather than simply saying to read the book or listen to Ringo wax poetic about Matthew 25. I would anticipate a good discussion with Him. As for His political stance, I cant speculate.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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ringo
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Message 122 of 129 (842984)
11-11-2018 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by Phat
11-11-2018 2:28 PM


Re: The Great Rescue
Phat writes:

The Resurrection obviously had impact and value.


Since it didn't happen, how could it have impact or value?

Phat writes:

Jesus Death, Burial, and Resurrection were meaningful for society-at-large.


The belief in Jesus' death, burial and resurrection has had an impact on society.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 123 of 129 (842986)
11-11-2018 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Phat
11-11-2018 2:31 PM


Re: The Great Rescue
Phat writes:

I would certainly be more impressed if He took a moment to point out what I could better be doing in my life....


Do you think He'd tell you something different than what He said 2000 years ago?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Phat
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Message 124 of 129 (842988)
11-11-2018 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by ringo
11-11-2018 2:44 PM


Re: The Great Rescue
Of course I do. That's why many lectures end with a Q & A session. People feel better being able to discuss specific situations with the author rather than simply be told to buy the book on the way out. You and I disagree with this one. You likely wouldn't spend any time talking with me...pointing to the message you wrote 2000 years ago and going off to do other things. The Jesus that I believe in would take the additional time to answer my questions, address my concerns, and clarify what His 2000-year-old message means for me today. Books often get revised.

Messages ultimately come from human lips...they don't just appear in the sky.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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ringo
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Message 125 of 129 (842989)
11-11-2018 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by Phat
11-11-2018 2:48 PM


Re: The Great Rescue
Phat writes:

The Jesus that I believe in would take the additional time to answer my questions, address my concerns, and clarify what His 2000 year olfd message means for me today.


Jesus did clarify the message for the Pharisees who made the same arguments that you make. There's no lack of clarity in the message. What's lacking is the will to embrace the message.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Phat
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Message 126 of 129 (842992)
11-11-2018 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by ringo
11-11-2018 2:51 PM


Re: The Great Rescue
There's no lack of clarity in the message. What's lacking is the will to embrace the message.
You honestly have no idea if I obey or ignore the message. Just because I like to argue does not mean I believe my own conclusions!

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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ringo
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Message 127 of 129 (842995)
11-11-2018 3:00 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by Phat
11-11-2018 2:57 PM


Re: The Great Rescue
Phat writes:

You honestly have no idea if I obey or ignore the message.


You say that you reject the message. I can only take you at your word.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Phat
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Message 128 of 129 (842997)
11-11-2018 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 127 by ringo
11-11-2018 3:00 PM


Re: The Great Rescue
I love God. I love my neighbors. If I were guilty of anything, it would be in being selective over whom I help. If a guy comes in our store and steals a bunch of stuff and runs out, I certainly won't give him the same consideration for a handout that I give others whom I see struggling yet respecting society despite being down and out.

To put this in perspective, on my drive o work I see several people whom I recognize on the street...some whom we have encountered in our store. Jesus message was for them to repent as much as it was about me helping the least of them. Again, I may be guilty of being partial to the non-thieves first. Stealing from the store is stealing from the employees. Ultimately, I am not their judge. You will tell me that Jesus expects me not to judge. But I do. Which is one thing I would ask Him to clarify for me in our Q & A.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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ringo
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Message 129 of 129 (843003)
11-11-2018 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Phat
11-11-2018 3:02 PM


Re: The Great Rescue
Phat writes:

If I were guilty of anything, it would be in being selective over whom I help.


In Luke 10, the priest and the Levite were selective about whom they helped. The Samaritan was not.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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