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Chiroptera
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Message 5 of 153 (842182)
10-27-2018 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by PaulK
10-27-2018 8:01 AM


Re: Another one
Authorities have yet to comment on a suspected motive, but Attorney General Jeff Sessions said "he appears to be partisan".
Did Sessions just go off-script? I thought right-wing terrorists were supposed to be described as "lone wolves" or "mentally disturbed".

We weaken our greatness when we confuse our patriotism with tribal rivalries that have sown resentment and hatred and violence in all the corners of the globe. -- John McCain

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Chiroptera
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Message 64 of 153 (851557)
04-28-2019 2:36 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by PaulK
04-28-2019 3:18 AM


Re: Another Synagogue Shooting - In San Diego
From the Guardian:
Trump’s record on white nationalism under new scrutiny after synagogue shooting
The administration has already been warned by security agencies of the growing dangers of white supremacy in the US. In May 2017 the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security [DHS] authored a joint bulletin declaring that white nationalists had been responsible for more attacks than any other domestic extremist group in the US over the past 16 years and “likely will continue to pose a threat of lethal violence over the next year.”

Hell hath no fury like a white man scorned. If you take nothing else from the Senate’s confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh, take that much. -- Kai Wright

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Chiroptera
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Message 66 of 153 (851560)
04-28-2019 3:46 PM
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04-28-2019 3:05 PM


Re: Another Synagogue Shooting - In San Diego
Good point. It was my intent to remind people about this long term tendency of American conservatives to pretend that warnings about rightwing terrorism are a liberal plot. I didn't mean to suggest that this is new with Trump.

Hell hath no fury like a white man scorned. If you take nothing else from the Senate’s confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh, take that much. -- Kai Wright

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Chiroptera
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Message 79 of 153 (851626)
04-29-2019 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by PaulK
04-29-2019 2:44 PM


Re: Another Synagogue Shooting - In San Diego
I remember a few years ago, "slavery was the fault of liberals" was all the rage on the rightwing hate machine.
I think this is another case where words have no meaning in the rightwing hate machine.
Liberal means "stuff I don't like".
Left means "stuff I don't like".
Socialism means "stuff I don't like".
Shooting synagogues is bad, therefore shooting synagogues is leftwing.
Gun control is bad, therefore gun control is socialist.
Tornadoes killing people is bad, therefore tornadoes are liberal.

Hell hath no fury like a white man scorned. If you take nothing else from the Senate's confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh, take that much. -- Kai Wright

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Chiroptera
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Message 88 of 153 (851652)
04-30-2019 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by jar
04-30-2019 10:30 AM


Re: Another Synagogue Shooting - In San Diego
He should simply be ignored and laughed at....
It would be nice if that were possible, but it's kind of hard to ignore a fool who's burning down the house I live in.

Hell hath no fury like a white man scorned. If you take nothing else from the Senate's confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh, take that much. -- Kai Wright

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Chiroptera
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Message 92 of 153 (851664)
04-30-2019 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Faith
04-30-2019 11:38 AM


The advantages of a liberal democratc republic
But you can always move to Siberia if you like.
Naw. I have nothing to say against those who decide they need to leave, I feel I have my duty to do what I can to try to make things a little better. Even if those efforts are miniscule.
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I assume I live in the same house and I consider him to be building it up.
You see? This is what I'm talking about - this is the way it's supposed to work. You have beliefs, I have beliefs. You try to convince people you're right, I try to convince people I'm right, You try to keep an open mind and be prepared to admit you're wrong, I try to keep an open mind. In the meantime, you do what needs to be done to keep our elected officials in line, I do the same. In the end, we vote.
You certainly are free to move to siberia if you want, but I haven't yet lost faith (not completely) in the democratic process.

Hell hath no fury like a white man scorned. If you take nothing else from the Senate's confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh, take that much. -- Kai Wright

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Chiroptera
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Message 102 of 153 (851679)
04-30-2019 3:09 PM
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04-30-2019 2:22 PM


Re: The advantages of a liberal democratc republic
And don't get me started on the bitter struggles between the Hamilton Federalists and Jefferson Republicans in the half dozen years on either side of 1800! I'm amazed that civil war didn't break out at that time!

Hell hath no fury like a white man scorned. If you take nothing else from the Senate's confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh, take that much. -- Kai Wright

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Chiroptera
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Message 105 of 153 (851722)
05-01-2019 11:53 AM


Terrorist legislators!
From the Guardian:
Revealed: Republican lawmaker and ally urged crowd to prepare for civil unrest
It seems the tin-foil hat brigade is still preparing for the apocalypse.
I would hope these clowns are just a small minority of the current Right Wing, but in any case I'm usually a little anxious when nervous twitchy people are holding guns.
Added by edit:
Oops, I misread the article. The fool Shea is a member of the Washington state legislature, not Congress.
Edited by Chiroptera, : No reason given.
Edited by Chiroptera, : Deleted refrence to Ilhan Omar - comment didn't make sense since Shea isn't in Congress.
Also corrected title.

Hell hath no fury like a white man scorned. If you take nothing else from the Senate's confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh, take that much. -- Kai Wright

  
Chiroptera
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Message 106 of 153 (853325)
05-26-2019 10:31 AM


More threats from Right Wing traitors
From the Guardian:
Christian rightwing figures warn abortion fight could lead to civil war
The article describes more over-the-top threats of violence -- in this case, threats of a "civil war" -- from abortion foes.
What makes this unsettling is that even if most of this is rhetoric or confined to a fringe group, some nut with a gun is going to take it seriously and try to apply a "Second Amendment solution".
Interesting quote:
[André Gagné] says that the idea that abortion may lead to civil war has percolated for some time on the Christian right. Gagné says that the Christian right’s fight against abortion is driven by real belief, and real fear.
“The Christian right believes that if they don’t engage politically, and try to influence social issues, God will judge America, and he will judge them,” Gagne said.
Interesting because this is pretty similar to how the Right tries to explain why Muslims are a threat. I wonder how the Right feels about the same words being applied to them?

If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

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Chiroptera
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Message 109 of 153 (853394)
05-27-2019 9:20 AM
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05-27-2019 8:18 AM


Re: More threats from Right Wing traitors
I didn't mean to imply that I think all right wingers advocate civil war and violence. Sorry if it came across that way.
Like I said, the worries I have is that these people are out there and being vocal, and there maybe a nut with a gun who's going to get riled up.

If this was a witch hunt, it found a lot of witches. -- David Cole, writing about the Mueller investigation.

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Chiroptera
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Message 130 of 153 (860945)
08-14-2019 10:26 AM


More on cult-based traitors who hate democracy
From The Guardian:
Revealed: Republican lawmaker aided group training young men for 'biblical warfare'
Once before I brought up on this thread Matt Shea, Washington state legislator who is warning his followers to prepare for a civil war against the godless hordes overrunning this country.
It appears that he is linked to a group giving paramilitary training to likeminded apocalyptic cultists.
In his email to Shea, Caughran goes on to list weapons training as part of the event for attendees. The training will "show them how to work better as a team, both in achieving physically demanding tasks and on the battlefield. Those who attend will learn combatives, the use of a knife in defense, close quarters shooting with rifle and pistol and how to work effectively in teams of 2, 3 and 4."
Longtime Shea critic, and Republican, the Spokane county sheriff, Ozzie Knezovich, said in a telephone conversation that "it almost sounds like going back to the Hitler Youth concept".
Knezovich added: "There are lines that should never crossed. When you indoctrinate children in radicalized hate, then we wonder why we have the kind of shootings and bombings that we have around the world."
Edited by Chiroptera, : D to d in title
Edited by Chiroptera, : Added additional quote.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Chiroptera
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Message 132 of 153 (860968)
08-14-2019 6:39 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by Hyroglyphx
08-14-2019 2:08 PM


Re: More on cult-based traitors who hate democracy
You're psychic!
From Wikipedia:
Shea organized the Spokane chapter of ACT! for America, an anti-Muslim organization designated as a hate group by Southern Poverty Law Center.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Chiroptera
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Message 133 of 153 (861192)
08-18-2019 11:07 AM


Republicans and El Paso: It's the liberals' fault!
From the Tampa Bay Times:
Memo reveals a House Republican strategy on shootings: downplay white nationalism, blame left
The Republicans have been circulating talking points about how to respond to the El Paso shooting and the rise in white nationalist violence in general. The decision: try to focus on leftwing violence, and if that doesn't work then try to frame it allin the usual "both sides are the same" false equivalence.
"White nationalism and racism are pure evil and cannot be tolerated in any form," the document said. "We also can’t excuse violence from the left such as the El Paso shooter, the recent Colorado shooters, the Congressional baseball shooter, Congresswoman Giffords’ shooter and Antifa."
(Bolding is mine.)
How often do they need to claim the El Paso shooter was from the left before it becomes true? Fortunately, they were caught out before we could find out and now claim that the inclusion of the El Paso shooter was a mistake.
But the other items in the list are also problematic.
The Dayton Daily News reported that the shooter in Ohio had attended a protest of a Ku Klux Klan rally and other outlets have reported his political leanings aligned with Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, a Democratic Socialist. The motivations of the Dayton shooters killing spree, though, are less clear. He reportedly was obsessed with violence and once made a list of girls he wanted to kill. In the rampage, he fatally wounded his transgender brother, who was initially reported as his sister and who was not out to family, according to media outlets such as Splinter, BuzzFeed and the New York Post.
The GOP conference talking points ascribed other shootings as leftist violence despite ambiguous, if not contradictory, evidence. The shooter that wounded U.S. Rep. Gabby Giffords, a Democrat, was paranoid about government and obsessed with the Arizona Congresswoman, a law enforcement investigation found. His political persuasions were mixed and did not appear to be a factor. Nor does it seem that the May shooters at a Colorado high school both teenagers and bullied students were motivated by politics.
And, of course, the Republicans - our white nationalist party - ignore the proverbial 500 lb gorilla in the room:
The GOP’s response to elevate incidents of "violence on the left" clashes with a well-documented rise in hate crimes and white nationalism on the far-right.
Extremist-related murders have spiked in the last year, according to the Anti-Defamation League, and the vast majority 73 percent are committed by right-wing extremists and white supremacists. Not a single extremist-related murder in the United States last year was carried out by "the left."
(Thanks to Juanita Jean for the tip.)

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Chiroptera
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Message 135 of 153 (861203)
08-18-2019 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by Faith
08-18-2019 11:14 AM


Re: Republicans and El Paso: It's the liberals' fault!
Hi, Faith.
...so I don't get what you are hearing.
I though I was clear on that. I linked to a newspaper article which I read. The reporters had a copy of a memo being circulated among Republicans in the US House of Representatives. That memo is quoted in the newspaper article.
I've heard it very explicitly acknowledged that the El Paso shooting was motivated by white nationalism....
There is a direct quote from the House Republicans' memo. Perhaps that was an "honest mistake", but, gee whiz, those Republicans sure make a lot of those. And I do think it's suspicious that this "mistake" comes in a document advocating the dishonest framing of an issue.
Turning that into a rise in white nationalism....
The rise in white nationalist violence is a documented fact. The article quotes both the Anti-Defamation League and the FBI.
...linking all of us on the right with it....
The link is with Congressional Republicans who have prevented US law enforcement from devoting necessary resources to combat white extremist violence while they are required to spend considerable resources on relatively lesser problems like Muslim violence or environmentalist extremists.
The link is the Congressional Republicans' attempt to confuse the issue by making the false claims that leftwing violence is comparable to rightwing violence.
The only link to "all of you on the right" would be the implied link where you keep voting for those clowns.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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Chiroptera
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Message 138 of 153 (861230)
08-18-2019 3:53 PM
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08-18-2019 3:13 PM


Re: Republicans and El Paso: It's the liberals' fault!
...or Sharia Law....
Whoa! Blast from the past!
I was just thinking about how I haven't heard that one in a while.

It says something about the qualities of our current president that the best argument anyone has made in his defense is that he didn't know what he was talking about. -- Paul Krugman

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