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PaulK
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Message 16 of 38 (831552)
04-20-2018 4:43 PM
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Re: The Topsy Turvey World Of Modern News
Jones own lawyer said he was playing a character.

And there’s no coup against Trump. If he falls it will be his own dirty dealings that bring him down. And that is a way away, still.


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jar
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Message 17 of 38 (831553)
04-20-2018 5:19 PM
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Re: The Topsy Turvey World Of Modern News
Faith writes:

I judged this presentation with an admitted bias...I assumed that Jones was not simply full of it...he actually believes what he broadcasts.

People that are "full of it" almost always truly believe the nonsense they market.


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Message 18 of 38 (831557)
04-20-2018 7:22 PM
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Re: The Topsy Turvey World Of Modern News
do you think I am being paranoid?

I just worry about the course our nation is going. I am too old to suffer


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
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jar
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Message 19 of 38 (831561)
04-20-2018 8:34 PM
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Re: The Topsy Turvey World Of Modern News
Phat writes:

do you think I am being paranoid?

I just worry about the course our nation is going. I am too old to suffer

I'm not sure paranoid is the proper term. But you do seem to prefer fantasy over reality.


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Message 20 of 38 (831562)
04-20-2018 8:35 PM
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04-20-2018 7:12 AM


Re: The Topsy Turvey World Of Modern News
Jones latest commentary appears to show a side of him that is puzzlingly honest and genuine, however. He actually believes in a globalist agenda and comes across as honestly defending the hypothesis.
https://www.infowars.com/...against-donald-trump-is-now-live

I judged this presentation with an admitted bias...I assumed that Jones was not simply full of it...he actually believes what he broadcasts

When Jones got sued for some of the BS he invents/relays and passes off as news, he has testified in court that he was just playing a character. Apparently, he is also playing you.

Who really gives a crap if Jones believes something? Does that belief make it likely that he is correct? Are you just swallowing yet another brand of snake oil?

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


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PaulK
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Message 21 of 38 (831574)
04-21-2018 2:13 AM
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04-20-2018 7:22 PM


Re: The Topsy Turvey World Of Modern News
quote:

do you think I am being paranoid?

I just worry about the course our nation is going. I am too old to suffer


If you mean the drift to the far right, then Jones is all for that. It’s his bread and butter. You should be far more worried about the people who believe Jones than the possibility he might be right about something.


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Phat
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Message 22 of 38 (831584)
04-21-2018 5:44 AM
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04-21-2018 2:13 AM


Re: The Topsy Turvey World Of Modern News
You should be far more worried about the people who believe Jones than the possibility he might be right about something.
I used to believe that the populists were a bunch of largely uneducated folks couched in fear and a yearning for the glory days of the past. Lately, however...I am beginning to question whether or not the so-called educated elitists really know whats best for the world and whether or not they may actually be the villains in the grand scheme.

I'm not saying that I've sold out to the populists, but I question the result.

(I always did like Obama, however...despite the rhetoric against him...)


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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jar
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Message 23 of 38 (831585)
04-21-2018 6:26 AM
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04-21-2018 5:44 AM


Re: The Topsy Turvey World Of Modern News
There you go buying the koolaid again.

What is a Populist?


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PaulK
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Message 24 of 38 (831588)
04-21-2018 6:52 AM
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Re: The Topsy Turvey World Of Modern News
quote:

I used to believe that the populists were a bunch of largely uneducated folks couched in fear and a yearning for the glory days of the past. Lately, however...I am beginning to question whether or not the so-called educated elitists really know whats best for the world and whether or not they may actually be the villains in the grand scheme

Who are the real villains ? The people investigating a corrup president or the people who call for show trials and executions for imagined crimes ?

I really don’t see that as a very sensible question.


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Message 25 of 38 (831597)
04-21-2018 11:59 AM
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04-21-2018 5:44 AM


Re: The Topsy Turvey World Of Modern News
Phat writes:

I used to believe that the populists were a bunch of largely uneducated folks couched in fear and a yearning for the glory days of the past.


Trump and his ilk have co-opted/perverted the word "populist". They're not promoting the interests of ordinary people. They're exploiting the baser instincts of ordinary people (especially fear) to promote their own interests.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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Message 26 of 38 (831605)
04-21-2018 2:19 PM
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04-21-2018 6:26 AM


Re: The Topsy Turvey World Of Modern News
What Is A Populist?

OK, I know the term. I had to review what it meant in context of what I have been told. The dictionary is quite succinct:
pop·u·list
1.
a member or adherent of a political party seeking to represent the interests of ordinary people.
adjective
1.
relating to a populist or populists.
"a populist leader"

The Atlantic had a good article on the term in the context of Trump and today's movement, as ringo reiterated:

What Is A Populist?

quote:

Populists are dividers, not uniters, Mudde told me. They split society into “two homogeneous and antagonistic groups: the pure people on the one end and the corrupt elite on the other,” and say they’re guided by the “will of the people.” The United States is what political scientists call a “liberal democracy,” a system “based on pluralism—on the idea that you have different groups with different interests and values, which are all legitimate,” Mudde explained. Populists, in contrast, are not pluralist. They consider just one group—whatever they mean by “the people”—legitimate.
Jones does exactly that. He seeks to divide us and them. Granted, many of the moderate/liberals here at EvC portray the far right values as antithetical to reason, which is why I explored the rightwing mindset. It did appeal to me, playing on my fears of losing my God-given spot in society...which is why I started this rant.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Phat
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Message 27 of 38 (831652)
04-22-2018 3:59 PM
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04-21-2018 6:26 AM


Re: The Topsy Turvey World Of Modern News
was my definition incomplete?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Phat
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Message 28 of 38 (831654)
04-22-2018 4:04 PM
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04-20-2018 6:39 AM


Re: Meanwhile
The fact remains that no major station covered Bernie seriously.
So much for the accusations of a liberal media. Perhaps there is a hint of a conspiracy in that the major networks only cover what Jones would say was a globalist agenda---Hillary having been a PC inner circle "liberal" in name only. They market the "products" and people whom they wish to advance. Or am I again being paranoid?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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jar
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Message 29 of 38 (831670)
04-22-2018 5:48 PM
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04-22-2018 3:59 PM


Re: The Topsy Turvey World Of Modern News
The point is to take the next step and understand that YOU are the Privileged Elitist.

What you want is to maintain your Privileged status against the Common Man. Keep them Common Man down. Not MY job. Not MY neighborhood.


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jar
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Message 30 of 38 (831672)
04-22-2018 5:49 PM
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Re: Meanwhile
Do you know what a Globalist Agenda is?

Edited by jar, : appalin spallin


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