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MiguelG
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Message 151 of 198 (833428)
05-20-2018 10:19 PM
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05-16-2018 7:25 AM


Exactly which uniquely Christian principles was the Constitution based on?
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Faith
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Message 152 of 198 (833433)
05-21-2018 3:15 AM
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05-20-2018 8:32 PM


Re: It's in the hadiths, not the Koran, sorry
There is no such thing as Christian genocide. There was the anti-Christ Inquisition mostly against Christians though also Jews especially if Hitler's Jesuit-inspired Holocaust is taken into account, but there is no Christian genocide.
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Faith
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Message 153 of 198 (833434)
05-21-2018 3:17 AM
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Re: Christianity, Science & 'Truth'
There will always be a religious inclination and it's going pagan. And the best of the Enlightenment came out of the Reformation.

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Faith
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Message 154 of 198 (833435)
05-21-2018 3:19 AM
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05-20-2018 10:19 PM


The whole idea of the rights of the people derives from Christian principles. The Magna Carta was a Christian inspiration long before the Constitution. The very idea of liberty derives from the Bible.

There are lots of websites that present the Christian basis of the Constitution, such as THIS ONE I haven't found the best quotes yet.

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jar
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Message 155 of 198 (833445)
05-21-2018 7:47 AM
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05-21-2018 3:15 AM


Re: It's in the hadiths, not the Koran, sorry
Faith writes:

There is no such thing as Christian genocide.

Utter complete BULLSHIT Faith.

Christianity has a long, long history of forbidding other belief systems and forcing people to accept Christianity. When Native American children are removed from their culture and told they can no longer speak their language, wear their dress, visit their sacred sites, live on their land, eat their food then that is genocide.


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jar
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Message 156 of 198 (833446)
05-21-2018 7:58 AM
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05-21-2018 3:19 AM


wrong again Faith
Faith writes:

The Magna Carta was a Christian inspiration long before the Constitution.

No Faith, the Magna Carta was not a Christian inspiration and did not give rights to the peoples; it gave some rights to the Barons but none to the people.

Faith writes:

The very idea of liberty derives from the Bible.

Then it should be easy for you to point to the passages from the in context so we can evaluate your assertion.


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JonF
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Message 157 of 198 (833447)
05-21-2018 9:16 AM
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05-21-2018 3:17 AM


Re: Christianity, Science & 'Truth'
And the best of the Enlightenment came out of the Reformation.

Just a week or so ago you tried to defend that claim and failed spectacularly. Remember:


  • You read it somewhere
  • John Locke studied under a well-known Protestant theologan.

When challenged to show the effect of the Reformation on the Enlightenment, you bailed. Since anti-religion was one of the major concepts of the Enlightenment you'll have to come up with some pretty strong evidence to prove your claim.

So far bupkis.

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JonF
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Message 158 of 198 (833449)
05-21-2018 9:22 AM
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05-21-2018 3:19 AM


There are lots of websites that present the Christian basis of the Constitution, such as THIS ONE I haven't found the best quotes yet.

That's pretty pathetic. Many of the principles listed are from many religions and/or the Enlightenment. Some are flat out lies:

"Church protected from state control (& taxation), but church to influence the state"; that last clause is false. ABE: So is the first clause. There is no mention of churches or taxation thereof in the Constitution.

Some are incredibly lame:

On checks and balances, "all men are sinners" (not in the sense of against God) is an observation by anyone who's studied people. No religion required.

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Faith
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Message 159 of 198 (833454)
05-21-2018 10:17 AM
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05-21-2018 9:22 AM


Ah another victim of revisionist Liberal Nazi history.
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Faith
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Message 160 of 198 (833455)
05-21-2018 10:18 AM
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05-21-2018 7:58 AM


Re: wrong again Faith
It was a start in the right direction and it was a Christian inspiration. Lots of quotes at the link I posted, HERE.

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Faith
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Message 161 of 198 (833457)
05-21-2018 10:20 AM
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05-21-2018 7:47 AM


Re: It's in the hadiths, not the Koran, sorry
That is not genocide and I already agreed it was a bad idea the way it was done.

Only Roman Catholicism, which is a pagan idolatrous superstition, forced anyone to become a "Christian.".


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jar
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Message 162 of 198 (833458)
05-21-2018 10:23 AM
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05-21-2018 10:18 AM


Re: wrong again Faith
Have you ever read the Magna Carta Faith or is it like the Bible; you just post the dogma of your Cult.

The US Constitution owes far more to the pagan Five Civilized Nations than to Christianity.


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Message 163 of 198 (833459)
05-21-2018 10:24 AM
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05-21-2018 10:20 AM


Re: It's in the hadiths, not the Koran, sorry
Faith writes:

That is not genocide and I already agreed it was a bad idea the way it was done.

Only Roman Catholicism, which is a pagan idolatrous superstition, forced anyone to become a "Christian.".

That really is genocide Faith and your constant denial of reality still will not change reality.


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Faith
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Message 164 of 198 (833460)
05-21-2018 10:24 AM
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05-21-2018 10:23 AM


Re: wrong again Faith
That is sheer idiotic ignorance, pure revisionist Liberal Nazism.
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Faith
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Message 165 of 198 (833461)
05-21-2018 10:25 AM
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05-21-2018 10:24 AM


Re: It's in the hadiths, not the Koran, sorry
Idiot.
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