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jar
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Message 76 of 89 (833365)
05-20-2018 11:25 AM
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05-20-2018 11:17 AM


Re: Spirits or Spiritual Forces.
Astronomy writes:

Bible has total zero of historic and archeologic value?! No. You are just biased, it's satan's agenda.

Although I never said that, the Bible does exhibit the faults that I presented and that you failed to address. You also seem totally ignorant of Satan's function. In the Bible Satan is simply the tester, doing only the will of God.

Have you ever even read the Bible.

Let me repeat those issues that you failed, as expected, to address:

quote:
It is certainly not Scientific Evidence.

It is evidence that certain stories were written.

BUT, it is also an anonymous source with only a very few exceptions.

It is primarily hearsay.

It is filled with inconsistencies, contradictions and factual errors.

Finally there is not even such a thing as "The Bible™" or one single universal list of what books should be included in "The Bible™"; rather the contents of The Bible varies from the smallest having only the first five books and the largest having over eighty books.

Even the Qur'an is more reliable evidence than any Bible. It has only a single known and verified by outside sources author.

But you still have not provided any evidence of any Spiritual beings or Spiritual Forces.

And the fact that you titled this topic Creation Science when such a thing is absolutely and totally impossible is just another indicator that you really have no clue what Science is.


from Message 72.

You should understand that I am a Cradle Creedal Christian, a member of one of the RECOGNIZED Chapters of Club Christian, educated in a Christian family and Christian schools so don't try to get away with any of your Christian Cult of Ignorance and Dishonesty with me.

Edited by jar, : appalin spallin


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Capt Stormfield
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Message 77 of 89 (833366)
05-20-2018 11:27 AM
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05-20-2018 11:17 AM


Re: Spirits or Spiritual Forces.
...it's satan's agenda.

Ooooh look! It's going full Rumpelstiltskin.

Perhaps you should stamp your tiny little little intellectual feet a bit harder.


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Message 78 of 89 (833367)
05-20-2018 11:28 AM
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05-20-2018 11:24 AM


Re: Spirits or Spiritual Forces.
Please reread my previous comment, it is edited.

So, Bible is not evidence of Spirits, because it is evidence of Spirits? How stupid atheism sounds?


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Capt Stormfield
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Message 79 of 89 (833377)
05-20-2018 1:24 PM
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05-20-2018 11:28 AM


Re: Spirits or Spiritual Forces.
So, Bible is not evidence of Spirits, because it is evidence of Spirits?

No, the Bible is not evidence of spirits because claims don't constitute evidence. Doesn't seem all that complicated or hard to understand.

How stupid atheism sounds?

Glass houses....?

...it is edited.

Didn't help the content any.


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Message 80 of 89 (833503)
05-22-2018 12:30 PM
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05-20-2018 11:24 AM


Re: Spirits or Spiritual Forces.
Phat writes:

So all gods shall be treated equal, eh?


No. Some gods are more plausible than others. The one you wish for is not very plausible.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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Message 81 of 89 (833504)
05-22-2018 1:40 PM
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05-22-2018 12:30 PM


Re: Spirits or Spiritual Forces.
only because you hold Him to the descriptions in the book from a critical standpoint and also because you dont like the idea of surrendering your human freedom to what you see as a cult of personality.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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jar
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Message 82 of 89 (833522)
05-22-2018 6:42 PM
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05-22-2018 1:40 PM


Re: Spirits or Spiritual Forces.
Phat writes:

only because you hold Him to the descriptions in the book from a critical standpoint and also because you dont like the idea of surrendering your human freedom to what you see as a cult of personality.

What cult of personality?


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ringo
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Message 83 of 89 (833574)
05-23-2018 8:27 PM
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05-22-2018 1:40 PM


Re: Spirits or Spiritual Forces.
Phat writes:

only because you hold Him to the descriptions in the book from a critical standpoint....


No, I'm going by your description. Some of the descriptions in the book are certainly more plausible than yours. Yours is a cherry-picked description.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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Phat
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Message 84 of 89 (833605)
05-24-2018 10:09 AM
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05-23-2018 8:27 PM


Re: Spirits or Spiritual Forces.
Granted I did not think my replies through. Lets start again.

Concerning Creation Science. How does it differ from mainstream science?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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jar
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Message 85 of 89 (833606)
05-24-2018 10:17 AM
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05-24-2018 10:09 AM


Re: Spirits or Spiritual Forces.
Phat writes:

Concerning Creation Science. How does it differ from mainstream science?

There cannot be such a thing as Creation Science; it is simply an oxymoron at best, a dishonest jest in reality.

Creationism begins with a conclusion; that a God exists and created everything.

Beginning with the conclusion excludes it from the realm of Science.


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Message 86 of 89 (833608)
05-24-2018 10:20 AM
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05-24-2018 10:09 AM


Re: Spirits or Spiritual Forces.
Concerning Creation Science. How does it differ from mainstream science?

Well, science, obviously.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 87 of 89 (833623)
05-24-2018 11:48 AM
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05-24-2018 10:09 AM


Re: Spirits or Spiritual Forces.
Phat writes:

Concerning Creation Science. How does it differ from mainstream science?


"Creation science" is to science as Long John Silver is to a silver tea set. The tea set exists; Long John Silver does not. The similarity of one word is coincidental.

An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo

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Message 88 of 89 (833646)
05-24-2018 3:27 PM
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05-24-2018 10:09 AM


Re: Spirits or Spiritual Forces.
Phat writes:

Concerning Creation Science. How does it differ from mainstream science?

"By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record."
https://answersingenesis.org/about/faith/

The lack of a null hypothesis, hence the lack of a testable hypothesis, is a rather glaring difference.


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Message 89 of 89 (833653)
05-24-2018 5:48 PM
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05-24-2018 10:09 AM


Re: Spirits or Spiritual Forces.
Phat writes:

Concerning Creation Science. How does it differ from mainstream science?

Hohum, how many years here Phat and apparently learned nothing?

Creation science, like alternative medicine, has one unnecessary descriptor. If alternative medicine worked it would just be called medicine.


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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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