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Faith
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Message 811 of 877 (835418)
06-23-2018 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 810 by edge
06-23-2018 12:12 PM


Re: Tectonic bashing and crashing
I guess if it's comforting to surround yourself with all your wealth of facts and evidence and just sit there counting it all, go for it. It's just a matter of time before the Flood will wash it all away.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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jar
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Message 812 of 877 (835421)
06-23-2018 12:42 PM
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06-23-2018 12:29 PM


Re: Tectonic bashing and crashing
The initial list:


  1. The Landscape seen in this image:

  2. Capitan Reef

  3. Layered salt deposits separated by sediment layers

  4. The cross bedding seen in this picture

  5. The White Cliffs of Dover

  6. This fossil sand dune seen in this image:

  7. Half Dome:

  8. Banded Ironstone:

  9. Layered Erratic Rocks:

  10. The Layered Chalk Beds of Kansas:

Still waiting for the explanation of how the Flood created any of these facts.

Reality ALWAYS trumps dogma and fantasy.


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Faith
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Message 813 of 877 (835427)
06-23-2018 12:52 PM
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06-23-2018 12:42 PM


Re: Tectonic bashing and crashing
Most obviously the result of the Flood or the tectonic events afterward.
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ringo
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Message 814 of 877 (835428)
06-23-2018 12:53 PM
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06-23-2018 12:52 PM


Re: Tectonic bashing and crashing
Faith writes:

Most obviously the result of the Flood or the tectonic events afterward.


There were no tectonic events afterward. Read your Bible.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith
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Message 815 of 877 (835430)
06-23-2018 12:57 PM
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06-23-2018 12:53 PM


Re: Tectonic bashing and crashing
Why do you have the silly idea it should be in the Bible?
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Message 816 of 877 (835435)
06-23-2018 1:09 PM
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06-23-2018 12:57 PM


Re: Tectonic bashing and crashing
Faith writes:

Why do you have the silly idea it should be in the Bible?


Why do you have the silly idea that the Bible wouldn't mention such a momentous event immediately after and directed related to the momentous event of the Flood?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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edge
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Message 817 of 877 (835436)
06-23-2018 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 807 by Phat
06-23-2018 11:39 AM


Re: Time for Summary Mode?
Perhaps she can address this post in particular and ask us to respect her belief as an alternate view on par with scientific evidence.

I have no problem with anyone's beliefs. They are free to believe whatever they want.

As I've mentioned, I don't think that Faith has any idea how her repetitious, over-confident pronouncements sound arrogant and offensive to logical minds. I agree that we do get overwrought and reactive, but really? Those 'beliefs' on a par with science? I'm sorry.


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edge
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Message 818 of 877 (835437)
06-23-2018 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 811 by Faith
06-23-2018 12:29 PM


Re: Tectonic bashing and crashing
I guess if it's comforting to surround yourself with all your wealth of facts and evidence and just sit there counting it all, go for it. It's just a matter of time before the Flood will wash it all away.

Well, I do appreciate being constrained by facts. It's challenging, but much more satisfying than just making up stories.

And I see that you have nothing to contradict my points.

Oh, be sure to check my edits to the post your attempted to respond to. Yah, I know, same old stuff, but it all bears repeating.


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Faith
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Message 819 of 877 (835438)
06-23-2018 1:58 PM
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06-23-2018 1:09 PM


Re: Tectonic bashing and crashing
Why do you have the silly idea it should be in the Bible?

Why do you have the silly idea that the Bible wouldn't mention such a momentous event immediately after and directed related to the momentous event of the Flood?

Obviously because it wasn't momentous. The ark was floating on a sea that stretched from horizon to horizon. The boat may have rocked some or maybe not, nothing momentous. The Bible does mention earthquakes when they affect people.


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ringo
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Message 820 of 877 (835439)
06-23-2018 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 819 by Faith
06-23-2018 1:58 PM


Re: Tectonic bashing and crashing
Faith writes:

The boat may have rocked some or maybe not, nothing momentous. The Bible does mention earthquakes when they affect people.


We're talking about natural forces momentous enough to create enormous rock formations. You want to pretend that they wouldn't have effected the ark at all?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 821 of 877 (835441)
06-23-2018 2:16 PM
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06-23-2018 2:05 PM


Re: Tectonic bashing and crashing
For one thing, the volcanism wasn't under water. There's distinct and obvious differences between lava solidified under water and in the air. So it was after the Fludde receded.
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Faith
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Message 822 of 877 (835442)
06-23-2018 2:26 PM
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06-23-2018 12:12 PM


Re: Tectonic bashing and crashing
First of all, you once again commit the error of extending the geology of Great Britain to the rest of the world.

Great Britain happens to be right where the split occurred and probably suffered a lot of bashing and crashing in ways that aren't evident. Perhaps it wasn't even an island before the split? But since the event was worldwide, as are the strata, I don't see th problem of extending the example.

Beyond that, you make a superfluous point since there are no Jurassic rocks in the parts of GB that are close to the Paleozoic or Mesozoic plate boundaries. I would expect little disturbance.

The deformation seen in the island had to be the result of that tectonic action, and if so there would not have been any strata laid down after the Jurassic at the time of its occurrence according to the standard idea of when Pangaea broke up, and if that were the case, after it broke up and the strata continued depositing according to the usual time scale, the strata of the Tertiary would have deposited flat, and would have deposited ON TOP OF the strata already present and already deformed. Instead they are part of the whole stack of strata, deformed as a unit with all the rest of them.

In fact, we do see that the lower Cretaceous sediments in southern GB overlie a nonconformity in the Jurassic in southern GB.

No idea what this is supposed to mean, or any of the rest of what you say here:

Both occurrences however are interpreted as transgressive deposits infilling NW-SE palaeovalleys cut into Jurassic basement.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/...e/abs/pii/S0016787808801617

The point is that there was little deformation of the Jurassic sedimentary rocks of Great Britain for a reason. They were deposited after the earlier Caledonian Orogeny and still remained far from the continental rifting that formed the Atlantic Ocean. These Jurassic sedimentary rocks are just as I would expect them.

Far from the continental rifting that formed the Atlantic Ocean???? Great Britain is where the rifting had to have occurred, there is nothing between it and North America except the Atlantic Ocean, and that means the Atlantic Ridge developed right on what is now its western edge. Here I've got people telling me all this movement would have affected Noah who was floating on the sea over a mountain range in the Middle East at the time, but you are saying Great Britain which was where the continental rift occurred was not disturbed?

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 823 of 877 (835443)
06-23-2018 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 813 by Faith
06-23-2018 12:52 PM


Re: Tectonic bashing and crashing
Then explain the most obvious model, method, mechanism, process or procedure your flood used to create each item; or as usual, simply run way.

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Faith
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Message 824 of 877 (835444)
06-23-2018 2:34 PM
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06-23-2018 2:27 PM


Re: Tectonic bashing and crashing
The Flood laid down all the strata seen in any of the formations that are composed of strata, and then they were shaped by tectonic and erosive forces afterward,. though the salt was obviously carved out by human beings.
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jar
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Message 825 of 877 (835445)
06-23-2018 2:36 PM
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06-23-2018 2:34 PM


Re: Tectonic bashing and crashing
That is still no explanation as expected. How did the flood do each single example?

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