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ringo
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Message 1501 of 1581 (840195)
09-24-2018 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1499 by Faith
09-24-2018 4:21 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:

You don't know how to read the Bible and eventually it is just a tedious futility to try to debate you.


You don't read the Bible. You write your own.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith
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Message 1502 of 1581 (840196)
09-24-2018 4:31 PM
Reply to: Message 1500 by ringo
09-24-2018 4:24 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
He did no wrong as a SINLESS PERFECT MAN, not as God.

Yuck, I can't take any more of this right now. Blech.


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ringo
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Message 1503 of 1581 (840197)
09-24-2018 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1502 by Faith
09-24-2018 4:31 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:

He did no wrong as a SINLESS PERFECT MAN, not as God.


We're talking about His life as a human here on earth. The examples I gave would be considered wrong if He was any other human. He can't use the get-out-of-sin-free card just because He's wearing His Son hat.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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PaulK
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Message 1504 of 1581 (840198)
09-24-2018 4:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1498 by Faith
09-24-2018 4:19 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
The fig tree couldn’t offer fruit because it wasn’t the right time of the year. Why get angry at the tree for that ? It’s not the tree’s fault.
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Faith
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Message 1505 of 1581 (840201)
09-24-2018 10:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1504 by PaulK
09-24-2018 4:38 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
The fig tree couldn’t offer fruit because it wasn’t the right time of the year. Why get angry at the tree for that ? It’s not the tree’s fault.

The main explanation given for why Jesus would have expected fruit on the fig tree even though it wasn't the right season is that fruit appears before the leaves on those trees and they saw the leaves from a distance.

But I don't care what the explanation is. If everybody here has to keep finding fault go ahead and keep finding fault, it's your loss. I know the Bible is God's word, and I know Jesus is never unrighteously angry and never does anything wrong, so I know it makes sense even if I don't understand how, and there are many things I won't understand simply because I'm not personally familiar with the culture and the times. Nevertheless good teachers include that information in their preaching so one learns a lot of it anyway.

But trusting what it says is the only right way for a believer to read it, based on knowing it is God's word. The amazing, I mean amazing, glorious, beauty and truth that unfold from it when you simply trust it is something unbelievers will never know, and I feel sorry for you but less sorry as time goes by and you all continue to prefer your nitpickery to God's truth. As I said, it's your loss.

And I know from painful experience here that it doesn't matter what good information I provide on any subject it will be trashed and do you no good anyway.

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PaulK
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Message 1506 of 1581 (840204)
09-25-2018 12:25 AM
Reply to: Message 1505 by Faith
09-24-2018 10:05 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
quote:

The main explanation given for why Jesus would have expected fruit on the fig tree even though it wasn't the right season is that fruit appears before the leaves on those trees and they saw the leaves from a distance.

Figs don’t have fruit before late May, so that is highly implausible.

Even if it was true it wouldn’t be a reason to blame the tree.

quote:

But I don't care what the explanation is. If everybody here has to keep finding fault go ahead and keep finding fault, it's your loss. I know the Bible is God's word, and I know Jesus is never unrighteously angry and never does anything wrong, so I know it makes sense even if I don't understand how, and there are many things I won't understand simply because I'm not personally familiar with the culture and the times. Nevertheless good teachers include that information in their preaching so one learns a lot of it anyway.

Well you just go on following your false teachers and rejecting the Bible in favour of your own opinions since you like it so much. That’s nobody’s loss but yours.

quote:

And I know from painful experience here that it doesn't matter what good information I provide on any subject it will be trashed and do you no good anyway.

Falsehoods do not qualify as “good information” no matter how much you like them.


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Faith
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Message 1507 of 1581 (840205)
09-25-2018 12:39 AM
Reply to: Message 1506 by PaulK
09-25-2018 12:25 AM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
"Blaming the tree" was just a teaching method.

Yes I will go on believing the truth and feeling sorry for those who refuse to believe it.


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PaulK
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Message 1508 of 1581 (840206)
09-25-2018 12:55 AM
Reply to: Message 1507 by Faith
09-25-2018 12:39 AM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
quote:

"Blaming the tree" was just a teaching method

A pretty destructive “teaching method”. Especially when the problem was his own unrealistic expectations.

quote:

Yes I will go on believing the truth and feeling sorry for those who refuse to believe it.

You complain because your assertions are shown to be false, and then you boast about believing the truth.


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Tangle
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Message 1509 of 1581 (840207)
09-25-2018 1:25 AM
Reply to: Message 1505 by Faith
09-24-2018 10:05 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:

The amazing, I mean amazing, glorious, beauty and truth that unfold from it when you simply trust it is something unbelievers will never know, and I feel sorry for you but less sorry as time goes by and you all continue to prefer your nitpickery to God's truth.

Self-deception is glorious I can see that. You're living your own magnificent dream. The tricky thing for me to understand is why you're here watching us pick it apart bit by bit. After all, at some point we might wake you up.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Faith
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Message 1510 of 1581 (840208)
09-25-2018 6:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1509 by Tangle
09-25-2018 1:25 AM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
You Brits make me sad when I remember the great Christian leaders you once produced. I've listed them before but when I hear all this debunkery of what they taught and believed I want to list them all again. For all I know you haven't even heard of half of them, but as I was becoming a Christian I read a lot of them or at least read their biographies.

John Wycliffe
William Tyndale
The King James Bible translators, all of them immense scholars and Christians
John Newton
William Cowper
George Herbert
William Wilberforce
John Owen
Thomas Boston and a dozen other great Puritan teachers
John Wesley
Charles Wesley
George Whitefield
J C Ryle
Martyn Lloyd Jones
John Bunyan
John Gill
Hudson Taylor
William Carey

Just a few off the top of my head. Others will come to me I'm sure
abe: Cromwell
Latimer
Ridley
Cranmer
Gladys Aylward
Amy Carmichael
John Knox
Charles Spurgeon How did I forget him?
/abe

Just a bunch suffering from glorious self deception according to you I guess.

Of course you've also got
Charles Darwin
Aldous Huxley
Bertrand Russell
A bunch of nonChristian poets
The Beatles
The Rolling Stones

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jaywill
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Message 1511 of 1581 (840209)
09-25-2018 7:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1464 by Tangle
09-24-2018 10:10 AM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
quote:
And I have said that if you want to do that, you open another thread called 'the meaning of man in the universe' - not in this thread or in the bible forums. That's how it works.

The way it works with me is talk about Christ's second coming here which is very much related to the climax of human history and the meaning of life.

If you can't see that Christ's second coming is so related to the meaning of man's creation and history's culmination, you're short sighted and need to be enlightened.

And don't look now, but you preach too - your anti-Christian dogmas.

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jar
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Message 1512 of 1581 (840210)
09-25-2018 7:58 AM
Reply to: Message 1478 by Faith
09-24-2018 3:30 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Faith writes:

I know it didn't say what you think it says because Jesus couldn't make a mistake like that. That's all I need to know. Therefore it is to be understood some other way. Either it refers to the Jews as a whole as "this generation" or it refers to the generation at the time of the prophecy's fulfillment. I have no problem because I know who Jesus is and whatever He says is true. We are to read the Bible in the light of all its parts and revelations and Jesus is infallible. Period.

So once again you prove that you place your human wisdom above what the Bible actually says, yet claim to be a "Biblical" Christian.

You place Dogma above facts and reality yet again.


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jaywill
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Message 1513 of 1581 (840211)
09-25-2018 8:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1509 by Tangle
09-25-2018 1:25 AM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
quote:
Self-deception is glorious I can see that.

assertion - preaching.

quote:

You're living your own magnificent dream.

preaching - assertion - proclamation.

quote:

The tricky thing for me to understand is why you're here watching us pick it apart bit by bit. After all, at some point we might wake you up.

More preaching and calling to others to change their ways.
Proclamation of dogmatic pronouncements with self congratulations.

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jar
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Message 1514 of 1581 (840212)
09-25-2018 8:14 AM
Reply to: Message 1486 by Phat
09-24-2018 3:39 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Sure there are more. For example taking the money from the group to use for oils for his hair instead of giving it to the needy and using the excuse that he won't be with them long. Having to be prompted and coerced by his mother to make the beer run at the wedding party. Letting a woman wash his feet and dry them with her hair; the kind of thing you might expect from il Donald. Scaring the shit out of Peter just to make a point.

But the biggest point is that unless Jesus was totally human his message really has little meaning or application to humans.


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jaywill
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Message 1515 of 1581 (840217)
09-25-2018 12:21 PM
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09-25-2018 8:14 AM


test

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