Christianity and the End Times

"No man comes to the father except by the way, the truth and the life." The way, as He explained more than once, is by feeding the hungry, healing the sick, etc. The life is living your life with the community in mind, not just yourself. The truth is the message, not the messenger.Jesus was an example of the way, the truth and the life. That doesn't absolve you from following His way, accepting the truth and living your own life according to His teaching.

You squirmed out of that one! good answer, and a support for your secular belief...though I still dont trust secular government nor human motives for keeping the world safe from destruction. I tend to agree with Percys argument
here regarding the behavioral inclinations of a global populace threatened with poverty.Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

I never promised you anything but blood, sweat, toil and tears. The straight and narrow isn't guaranteed to be easy.

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It establishes who said it...whether it was actually God talking through human authors or whether it is simply a product of human imagination

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If the content doesn’t matter why would it matter where that content originated ?

OK you have a point. The content and motive both matter.

The truth is still the truth regardless of the motive of the teller.In Genesis 3 the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil , did open Adam and Eve’s eyes and did make them like God in that one respect. Just as the serpent said.Genesis 3:5 Genesis 3:7 Genesis 3:22 Read it in context if you doubt me. It’s easy enough.Or are you going to reject the content because you suspect my motive in accurately reporting it ?

No. That's exactly what you're NOT doing.What you're doing is literary criticism of a single book. You might as well be arguing about the hidden meaning in Game of Thrones. Utterly pointless. I found the bible derivative and juvenile. As you would expect from an unattributed collection of stone age myths You misunderstand the situation. From MY point of VIEW you're just another NUTTER spouting delusional drivel from a virtual pulpit. I know that nothing can affect your PATHOLOGY so I'm just making a tut-tut comment as I pass.

You're overlooking the fact that the MOST insidious effective way of lying is to include in the lie some amount of what is true.The MIXTURE of some truth with some insidious slanderous untruth is what was done to man. "A little leaven leavens the whole lump." Sure Adam gained the knowledge of good and evil. What he did not get, because he is now united to Satan - is the power to carry out the good that he knows or the power to resist the evil that he now knows.In reach for autonomy rather than dependence on his Creator he became united with God's enemy. Now he must die.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

You're just making shit up again jaywill; none of that is in the story written in Genesis 2&3. Also absolutely none of that has anything to do with Christianity and the End Times.

Excuse me Mr. Potty Mouth. Strong language doesn't add any to the strength of your argument.And DIE I count as separation. Separation from God was a degrading process.
It culminated in him finally turning back into the dust from which he was taken. A LIE - SURELY they did.God did not deny that their eyes were opened. God did not lie in telling them that this would not happen.
In fact the very NAME of the tree tells them that gaining this knowledge would be the result of their eating. On the day they ate of it did they SURELY DIE or not?
Surely they did.So God did not LIE there either. But you, like the snake, are a slanderer.This is such an OLD, OLD argument on this Forum so often repeated that it is kind of depressing to see you dupes still cling desperately to it.The very NAME of the tree tells them what will be the result.
Actually the name of the tree should have been The TREE OF DEATH.It could be that in the contest between God and Satan, Satan came up with the name of the tree. - "Oh no. Don't call it the Tree of Death. Call it something attractive like The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil."Admittedly this is my speculation. However it is hardly speculative that what was going on there was a contest just like the oldest book of the Bible - Job.That is an implied challenge and controversy in which was a TRIANGLE situation.God on one side, the serpent on the other side, and man in the Middle with freedom of will to choose between the two poles - God or Satan.The Tree of Life representing God on one side.
The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil representing Satan on the other.
Adam in the middle, neutral and wit a free will to choose between the two
destinies presented before him.But some protest - Adam didn't DIE physically that day of 24 hours. That is suppose to prove that the serpent is some heroic figure that told the truth while God misrepresented the truth.By viewing the whole of Scripture though, we have to count DEATH as mainly a matter of SEPARATION.In being alienated from God man began to die. And he SURELY died on and from the day he first was alienated from God. "DEAD in trespasses and sins" is the indictment upon men since the fall of Adam. In separation from God Adam began the process of degradation from the center to the circumference of his being which would eventually lead to him turning back into dust.

Again, you are simply making shit up and perverting what is actually written in the Genesis 2&3 story. There is nothing in the story about being separated from God or even in the following stories about Adam & Eve.And they did not die the day they ate from the Tree of Knowledge no matter how many times you claim they did.

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perverting what is actually written in the Genesis 2&3 story. There is nothing in the story about being separated from God or even in the following stories about Adam & Eve.

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Ignoramus. Why do you think God called out to Adam - "Where are you ?" ?The previous fellowship was lost and degrading more and more. Separation.Man needs to be BORN ANEW because his innermost being is separated from God. "Let the dead bury their own dead" shows that Christ regarded fallen men as both dead and dying.Sorry if you refuse to realize that the whole Bible is one unified revelation.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

And once again you simply try to change the subject, moved the goal posts, palm the pea, con the rubes and misdirect attention in the vain hope folk won't notice your song and dance routine is flawed.The Bible is not one unified revelation and the evidence to support that conclusion is overwhelming. In fact there is no such thing as "The Bible" since there are many Christian Canons, the smallest including only the first five books of the Bible and excluding all of the New Testament and the largest including over eighty books.Reality shows that the Bible really is not one unified revelation at all.And it still has nothing to do with the topic or the content of Genesis 2&3.

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You misunderstand the situation. From MY point of VIEW you're just another NUTTER spouting delusional drivel from a virtual pulpit. I know that nothing can affect your PATHOLOGY so I'm just making a tut-tut comment as I pass.

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I undersrtand the situation. You have NOTHING. You have nothing because you're empty and clueless about our origin or destiny.You're tangled up in an inescapable labyrinth of your own blindness.
Tangle, you're tangled up in hopelessness of your unbelief.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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I found the bible derivative and juvenile.

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Where would you cast then your vote for the most powerful personality that has ever lived if not Jesus of Nazareth?Who are you more impressed with?