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Phat
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Message 1351 of 1394 (839664)
09-12-2018 11:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1348 by jar
09-11-2018 8:58 PM


Re: Back to the End Times
jar writes:

And once again, it still has absolutely nothing to do with the topic beyond the fact that those who doubt we went to the moon are as disconnected from reality or evidence-based decision making as the fools that believe there will be some rapture or that the Bible is not simply the creation of man.

The question is whether or not God and Jesus are a creation of man or whether there has actually been a communication between the Creator of all seen and unseen and humanity at some point.

I believe that there has, though cannot prove it. You point out the reasons why it was contrived as a story in order to market a religion. But what about the same behavior in our modern government? How many stories have they tried to market? Can you believe that reality suggests that we all are humans and at the end of the day on the same page? OR...is there a group at the top globally who desires to control the masses for "their own good" and who classifies information in order to gain the money and the power to further their own interests?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Faith
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Message 1352 of 1394 (839669)
09-12-2018 4:24 PM
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09-12-2018 11:47 AM


Re: Back to the End Times
The question is whether or not God and Jesus are a creation of man or whether there has actually been a communication between the Creator of all seen and unseen and humanity at some point.
I believe that there has, though cannot prove it.

The Bible was given to us as evidence. There is tons of witness evidence to communication between God and humanity. Tons and tons and tons and tons. Anyone who thinks the Bible could have been written as fiction has no ability to judge literature.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Phat
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Message 1353 of 1394 (839670)
09-12-2018 4:50 PM
Reply to: Message 1352 by Faith
09-12-2018 4:24 PM


Re: Back to the End Times
While I agree that the Bible is not fictional nor simply made up, I think we have no mandate to judge what others ability is or is not. Coming across so authoritarian that way simply pushes them farther away from understanding our point of view and makes us look bad. Personally, I believe in the old adage that one can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Granted I have stopped trying to win any sort of argument.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Faith
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Message 1354 of 1394 (839671)
09-12-2018 4:56 PM
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09-12-2018 4:50 PM


Re: Back to the End Times
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jar
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Message 1355 of 1394 (839672)
09-12-2018 5:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1349 by jaywill
09-12-2018 9:21 AM


Re: Back to the End Times
The mirrors exist. They are where they are supposed to be. The appeared there when they were supposed to appear. They are a fact.

They mirrors alone are sufficiently conclusive evidence to justify simply laughing at anyone who claims man did not go to the moon.

And it still has absolutely nothing to do with the topic except for the fact it is yet another conclusive piece of evidence that you are incapable of making evidence based or reality based decisions.


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jar
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Message 1356 of 1394 (839673)
09-12-2018 5:19 PM
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09-12-2018 11:47 AM


Re: Back to the End Times
Phat writes:

How many stories have they tried to market? Can you believe that reality suggests that we all are humans and at the end of the day on the same page? OR...is there a group at the top globally who desires to control the masses for "their own good" and who classifies information in order to gain the money and the power to further their own interests?

What does the evidence show Phat and what the hell does any of that have to do with the topic?


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jaywill
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Message 1357 of 1394 (839678)
09-12-2018 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1355 by jar
09-12-2018 5:17 PM


Re: Back to the End Times
Explain SOUNDS in the Vacuum of space on the moon.
And I do not mean just the hammering.

Explain the helmet microphone picking up the SOUND of a tossed piece of equipment landing where there was no air.

If you're too scared to watch the whole thing, start your viewing at around 42:40.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KsH2M4m4zM

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jar
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Message 1358 of 1394 (839679)
09-12-2018 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1357 by jaywill
09-12-2018 7:11 PM


Re: Back to the End Times
jaywill writes:

Explain SOUNDS in the Vacuum of space on the moon.
And I do not mean just the hammering.

Explain the helmet microphone picking up the SOUND of a tossed piece of equipment landing where there was no air.

If you're too scared to watch the whole thing, start your viewing at around 42:40.

There is no need or reason for me to even consider those questions because I am not a member of the Christian Cult of Ignorance, Dishonesty and Deception. They are irrelevant to thge issue of whether or not men went to the moon.

Sorry but I am not as willfully ignorant as you seem to be.

The mirrors exist.

The mirrors are on the moon.

The mirrors appeared on the moon at the time of the specific flights.

There is no explanation of how the mirrors got on the moon in those specific locations except that humans put them there at those specific times.

The issue is settled. Man went to the moon not just once but repeatedly.

And it still has absolutely nothing to do with the topic except for the fact it is yet another conclusive piece of evidence that you are incapable of making evidence based or reality based decisions and so you must resort to carny tricks and snake oil spiels.


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Phat
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Message 1359 of 1394 (839683)
09-13-2018 8:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1358 by jar
09-12-2018 7:36 PM


Basic Forum Decency
jar writes:

Sorry but I am not as willfully ignorant as you seem to be.

The mirrors exist.

The mirrors are on the moon.

The mirrors appeared on the moon at the time of the specific flights.

There is no explanation of how the mirrors got on the moon in those specific locations except that humans put them there at those specific times.

The issue is settled. Man went to the moon not just once but repeatedly.

And it still has absolutely nothing to do with the topic except for the fact it is yet another conclusive piece of evidence that you are incapable of making evidence-based or reality-based decisions and so you must resort to carny tricks and snake oil spiels.

Basic Forum Guidelines decency prohibits this type of personal attack. You do it to Faith, jaywill, and myself time after time. Are you not intelligent enough (or Christian enough) to argue the position and not the person? Jaywill has argued his case for the doubt regarding honesty between government and people. You evidently trust the government but mistrust the Biblical Christians. We get it. Stop hammering home your personal opinions of us.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 1360 of 1394 (839684)
09-13-2018 8:14 AM
Reply to: Message 1356 by jar
09-12-2018 5:19 PM


Re: Back to the End Times
jar writes:

...and what the hell does any of that have to do with the topic?

Because you believe that the Bible is entirely the product of man and that there is no evidence that it mentions any end times prophecies except those manufactured by Biblical Christians. We believe (though cannot prove) that the Bible is authored by God through human authors. Further, we argue that the deception, carny sideshow and misdirection is being done by certain elements within government to the public-at-large. It is an extraordinary claim without solid evidence. You provided counter-evidence that the mirrors exist. It is quite enough for you to make your case that the moon landing happened without resorting to personal attacks. Let us all refrain from sinking to that level.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 1361 of 1394 (839685)
09-13-2018 8:27 AM
Reply to: Message 1347 by jaywill
09-11-2018 7:47 PM


Its all about behavior
jaywill writes:

I keep abreast of both sides of the debate.

Its not as important as eternal salvation

As long as I am scolding evryone I may as well include you. To your credit, your Bible Studies are impressive due to the fact that you take so much time making your case and highlighting the relevant scriptures. This behavior is in stark conrast to some of how you come across hammering it out with jar. I get it. We all are human and we do get frustrated in our debates. I get on jar, particularly because he claims so adamantly to be a charter member of a "club Christian" yet shoots himself in the foot with his scathing personal remarks towards others. I don't expect the same behavior from you and urge you to give no place to the enemy in these discussions.

You have my full permission to chastise me whenever I exhibit the more carnal aspects of human nature. Iron sharpens iron. Be encouraged.

And keep in mind that while everyone is interpreting scriptures and waiting on God to fulfill the destiny, God may well be waiting for us to become sanctified enough to care about.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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jaywill
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Message 1362 of 1394 (839689)
09-13-2018 9:02 AM
Reply to: Message 1361 by Phat
09-13-2018 8:27 AM


Re: Its all about behavior
Scold you?
I agree with you. I need to get back to the subject.

Moving on. dropping the distraction.


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jaywill
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Message 1363 of 1394 (839690)
09-13-2018 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 1343 by jaywill
09-10-2018 4:50 PM


Re: Back to the End Times
One more reply to myself on the video link lecture.

quote:
Can you answer these questions if you watched the lecture?

Which modern day US president doubted that the moon walk pictures were authentic ?


William Jefferson Clinton

quote:

How many years has the speaker been working on this problem of the authenticity of the moon landings ?

Twenty five years.

quote:

How many Russian astronauts probably went into space before Uri Gigaran (the "first" man in space) ? How many did the researcher count ?

About TEN. Many must have died. The Russians finally wrote it.

quote:

What happened to the Russian astronaut who traveled to space before Gigaran ?

It is believed he landed in China badly injured.Before Yuri Gagarin.

quote:

The whistle blower astronaut who died in an accident, what was his name ?


Gus Crissom (slated to be the first on the moon) Put a lemon on the space craft to protest that the project was not safe and was flimsy. After his death no astronaut dared ever criticize the Space Program.

His son believed foul play was involved in the accident that killed him and two other astronauts.

We don't know the whole story.

Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

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Phat
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Message 1364 of 1394 (839691)
09-13-2018 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 1363 by jaywill
09-13-2018 9:19 AM


Re: Back to the End Times
I talked to my friend. He says the idea is nonsense. He helped build, design, and test the Mars Global Surveyor...so he is qualified to have an opinion.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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jar
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Message 1365 of 1394 (839733)
09-14-2018 5:48 AM
Reply to: Message 1359 by Phat
09-13-2018 8:07 AM


Re: Basic Forum Decency
Phat writes:

You evidently trust the government but mistrust the Biblical Christians.

No Phat, I trust conclusions based on evidence and distrust conclusions based on fantasy.

And it still has absolutely nothing to do with the topic except for the fact it is yet another conclusive piece of evidence that you like jaywill are incapable of making evidence-based or reality-based decisions and so you must resort to carny tricks and snake oil spiels.


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