Christianity and the End Times

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I think of the spirit we lost at the Fall as our own human faculty that had the ability to communicate with God, not the life of God in us.

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Something like that works for me as well.The human spirit as a third part of man became deadened and comatose.
But man still possessed a human spirit aside from the human soul.But the human spirit which was meant to be the highest part of man, descended to be underneath the human soul, in the case of a SOULISH man. And it can even be suppressed further underneath the fallen sin filled body, in the case of a FLESHY or FLESHLY man.Since this state of innocence and neutrality is something known only to two people in the world - Adam and Eve, it may be too hard for us to imagine what this state was like experientially.We certainly know what it is to have a deadened and comatose human spirit the thirsts for the living God.

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But it makes sense that this is God's plan for His redeemed humanity, since we now have the indwelling Holy Spirit. Whatever we are will be more than Adam and Eve originally had.

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They never partook of God's divine life. Had they eaten of the tree of life God's life would have come into them it seems. With just Genesis it is not easy to see this. But as we see Christ is now the reality of the tree of life, it makes sense to a large degree to me.Adam and Eve had direct fellowship with God without a barrier of any kind.
But they did not yet possess the life of God imparted into them.Adam and Eve were created innocent and neutral between Divine Life and Death.
From that stage they had to make a decision to move one way or another.Once they made the decision to move from the neutral stage to the stage united with God's enemy, the tree of life, (God's own life) was cut off to them. The two sources were mutually exclusive. Since man could not be a mixture of the dwelling place of the righteous holy God and the sinful one "who has the might of death, that is, the Devil" (Hebrews 2:14 RcV) it could not be that at any time BEFORE his disobedience Adam had partaken of the tree of life.Let's try to relate this to the Second Coming of Christ.Christ's first coming accomplished the destruction of him who has the might of death. This victory must be spread from Him individually into His people corporately. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Faith, continuing from above:Think of the parallel. Adam as the head of the old humanity, was the source of Satan's death entering into humanity and spreading its malignant poison all down through the human race.Christ as "the last Adam" and "the second man" opened the way for divine life of God to enter into man and also work its way down into all the new humanity of the redeemed believers in Christ.The Second Coming is a vindication of the resurrection, reign, and rule of the NEW MAN. That is the man of God's life mingled with the redeemed human life.His appearing a second time will be apart from sin - the problem which He thoroughly conquered for man in His first coming. In the interim of time we Christians are to allow His life giving Holy Spirit to dispense more and more of His influence over every part of our souls for participation in the reign of the new man over the earth.What a noble purpose then there is for being forgiven and reborn by Jesus Christ.
We who are saved are preparing, though our being saturated with Christ as life, for the restored and uplifted world. Eventually this entails a new heaven and a new earth in which RIGHTEOUSNESS dwells. For length's sake I will stop here before I lose my work on a technical misstep.
However, you can see. If we drop this faith and embrace Tangle's world hope or that of Ringo, what have we?I say not very much. Many modern day fellas are expecting that we will transport our sins, selfishness, death, disease, waters, jealousies, envyings, adulteries, idolatries, coveteousness, fornications, thefts, greed, etc to the planet Mars, terraforming it and starting the whole fall of man again on another planet.This is no better then the superstitious thought of living in heaven un-transformed. Nether going to Heaven or going to Mars will do.God's salvation of for man's entire being - spirit and soul and body, and his environment - the earth.I expect His kingdom of righteousness will extend perhaps beyond the earth.
But that is speculation rather than clear prophecy.We know that of the extent of His kingdom and of peace there will be no end.Cont, below.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

There is no new or unique world view or grand purpose in the Bible and you only ask such silly questions as another way of avoiding dealing with the fact that you cannot address the thread topic no matter which thread is involved.That is a classic carny conman trick and also the trait of the Christian Cult of Ignorance and Dishonesty.The topic is Christianity and the End Times.The reality is that ALL and EVERY Biblical End Times Prophecy has failed.

It's a bit oblique but we ARE talking about the end times: the ultimate goal of Christ's work in us, the point of it all, which won't be revealed until his second coming.

Come and debate with me Tangle.Put three consecutive sentences together which explain better then the Holy Bible the nature and destiny of man in this universe.Since you come to the BIBLE STUDY room not wanting to READ or STUDY the Bible, show us the superiority of your philosophy in answering the big questions.My Bible says we were created in the image and likeness of God to express God and have dominion on behalf of God over God's creation - righteously. And according to your philosophy, YOUR far better reason for you existing in this world is _______________________ ? We believers in the Bible have a model in history to know we are headed for - Jesus Christ the Son of God.If I drop Jesus the Son of God and Genesis's explanation of the purpose for my creation and pick up your world view, what big questions will it answer for me ?Here's your chance to debate me.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

But there is nothing in the Bible that talks about any ultimate goal that is unique or new to Christianity.

jar has a weird outlook on all of this. He has even claimed that Jesus is (so far) a failed Messiah. Nevermind the actual motive for preaching such crap.Matthew makes it fairly plain: Of course jar could argue that Jesus was wrong. But we could also argue that "many false prophets will appear and deceive many people" could actually refer to him.

What is the evidence that Jesus is not a failed (Jewish) messiah?Edited by jar, : No reason given.

There is quite a bit. The Bible talks about ending sin forever, remaking the Creation -- a new heavens and new Earth, making believing human beings into "Sons of God," it also mentions that we will judge angels which sounds like a task prepared for us at the end. And that's just a few things that come to mind

First of all a prophecy which has not YET been fulfilled is not a "failed prophecy."Second of all that Christ said He would build His church and that the gates of Hades would not prevail against it, is a fulfilled prophecy of over 2,000 years now.When the Christian faith is eradicated and her gatherings exist no more, then you can boast about the Bible's failed prophecy.Third, the reemergence of the nation of ISRAEL surely caused many students of prophecy to take notice. I would say the very existence of ISRAEL as a nation is indicative of the reliability of God's prophetic words.Another fulfilled prophecy - Daniel said . The last two hundred years of the exponential growth of technology and science, I think is fulfullment of Daniel's prophecy that "knowledge [science] will encrease" (Daniel 12:4) Don't point to something like Harald Campings predictions of knowing the exact time of the rapture as failed prophecy.Don't point to Jehovah Witnesses predictions of dates for Christ's coming as failed prophecy.Neither point to Nostradamus, Jean Dixon, Charles Russell as examples of the Bible's "failed prophecy." That is men's "Failed prophecy". That is not the Bible's "Failed prophecy."And in fact we were given prophetic heads up that many attempts to pin point the exact time of Christ's second coming would be from false prophets.At an hour that you think NOT ... the Son of Man comes.So why point to false prophecies and presumptuous predictions as "failed prophecy" of the word of God ?So Jesus teaches that many false prophets will arise and lead many astray (Matt. 24:11) . And you point to that and say "Aha! ... failed prophecy" ?The Gospel of the kingdom was prophesied to go to all the earth. That prophecy I would say is WELL on its way to being fulfilled. Your not believing the gospel gone out to the whole inhabited earth is not a symptom of "failed prophecy."Another fulfilled prophecy, I think - Look around you. That is hardly "failed prophecy" from the mouth of Jesus.He came the first time in fulfillment to ancient prophecy. He will come again the second time in fulfillment of prophecy. Scoffers like you can't stop it. Scoffers like
you are just going to make it all the more interesting. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

But what do any of those things even mean?And what is unique to Christianity?

If you have no idea what those things mean I'm certainly not going to be able to help you with that.As for what is unique to Christianity all of it is.

You are just posting the Dogma of your Cult jaywill and yet more unsupported assertions and meaningless drivel. LOLThat is just utter nonsense jaywill, with absolutely no meaning whatsoever. Yes, you would say that but again, that is simply at best an example of self fulfilled prophecy and so more a conjob than any real prophesy. And that again is just you rewriting the Bible and trying to turn a truism into something significant. It's YOU adding to the Bible, a classic Apologist conjob.All you have is the classic dishonesty of taking proof texts out of context and adding dogma instead of accepting what is written.

If you can't explain what they mean then they can't be of much value or use. That's a nice assertion but only another totally unsupported assertion.

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But there is nothing in the Bible that talks about any ultimate goal that is unique or new to Christianity.

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As one who rejects Christ and whose name is not recorded in the book of life at the last judgment, the Bible is unique in predicting that your ultimate yet negative goal will be something called the lake of fire. Refusing Christ's redemption, rejecting Christ's salvation and embracing Atheism instead, your terrible goal of eternal separation from the Savior Who died for your salvation will be chosen.You will go with your leader Satan and share in his miserable eternal destiny. If you however believe into Christ, not rejecting Him, you will co-share in His glorious goal and destiny.The GOAL your reach will be determined by the leader you follow.If you follow God's enemy you will partake of the GOAL of God's enemy to which he is eternally assigned.If you believe into Jesus Christ you will co-share the goal of being without blame and spotless before Him in love as that pre-determined goal according to God's purpose. Now could you prove to me that this is not a unique promise found only in the New Testament. And rip offs or imitations OF the New Testament SINCE the writing of the New Testament, don't count.Show me another teaching which says before the foundation of the world, ie. before the creation of the universe, God had a goal for you to be one of His SONS - sonship.If this is not a unique outlay of the plan of the Creator then what other writing or saying says BEFORE the foundation of the world the Creator chose you in His unique Son to be blameless, holy, before Him as a son, in everlasting love.Indicate it in your next post to me please.