Evangelical Switch from Pro-choice to Anti-abortion

It's amazing to me that this fact is not common knowledge. In Message 189 back in 2011 I mentioned that it was Southern Baptists that were at the forefront of decriminalizing abortion.Edited by jar, : add link to a 2011 post

The Roe v. Wade decision came down in 1973.Before that time abortions happened but were not recorded or reported so there is no way to tell if the numbers were any more or less than post Roe v. Wade.Abortions were performed by anyone willing to perform an abortion; quite often people with absolutely no medical training.Abortions were performed in any place where it could be kept relatively secret but usually not in a doctor's office or a hospital.There was no follow up care or counseling.Abortions were a cash only transaction and totally off the books. Is that really where we want to see US society go?

Yet as always you provide no evidence to support your assertions.

The issue is not limited to two positions. As I pointed out and as you acknowledged before Roe v Wade abortions happened in the US but were often not done under hospital conditions or even by licensed doctors. No records were kept and there is absolutely no why to know whether more or fewer abortions were performed in the US pre versus post Roe v Wade.The issue is that if abortion is once again criminalized there is NO evidence it would decrease the number of abortions and overwhelming evidence it would increase the risks to the woman.

The Roe v. Wade decision came down in 1973.Before that time abortions happened but were not recorded or reported so there is no way to tell if the numbers were any more or less than post Roe v. Wade.Abortions were performed by anyone willing to perform an abortion; quite often people with absolutely no medical training.Abortions were performed in any place where it could be kept relatively secret but usually not in a doctor's office or a hospital.There was no follow up care or counseling.Abortions were a cash only transaction and totally off the books.Is that really where we want to see US society go?Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

I think that leads directly to the issue of whether we want a society based on reality or fantasy.Everyone, whichever side of the abortion question they espouse, wishes abortions never happened.But we tried criminalizing abortion and that did not stop abortions from happening, but it did hide them from view and discussion; it did create a fantasy world where it was easy to pretend that abortions almost never happened.What is simply not being discussed are the actual means that could be implemented to replace the current situation and that needs to come from the side currently favoring a return to a fantasy world totally out of touch with reality; the so called "ProLife Cult".

Again, that is just silly Faith.We tried that in the past and it simply did not work; it is just more of your disconnect from reality.You need to present some reality based models of how the issue would be addressed rather than just unsupported assertions like " Stopping the lies and promoting the truth would be a BIG start. That alone would probably eliminate a huge number of unwanted pregnancies."Step away from the fantasy world and return to reality Faith.

But I have not called anyone any name or slandered anyone.What is needed is for the ProLife Cult to move into the world of reality and address the model, method, mechanism, process or procedure to resolve the issues surrounding abortions.Your simple repetition of the dogma of the Cult is not ever going to address the issues.

And so again you just repeat the dogma and offer no suggestions based on evidence or reality.The Roe v. Wade decision came down in 1973.Before that time abortions happened but were not recorded or reported so there is no way to tell if the numbers were any more or less than post Roe v. Wade.Abortions were performed by anyone willing to perform an abortion; quite often people with absolutely no medical training.Abortions were performed in any place where it could be kept relatively secret but usually not in a doctor's office or a hospital.There was no follow up care or counseling.Abortions were a cash only transaction and totally off the books.Is that really where we want to see US society go?

Again, you are just posting the Cult dogma, totally unsupported propaganda.The reality is that so far no one has offered a model, method, mechanism, process or procedure that is evidence and reality based and superior to the current one.

But talking about our feelings on such subjects seems pretty much pointless.Regardless of our feelings the reality exists.

If abortion is a moral issue for someone then that person should not get an abortion.

Utter nonsense Faith.YOU believe and the "ProLife Cult" believes it is a moral problem for society but societal morality does not have to be controlled.You have no right to dictate the morality of others that does not effect you personally.

Morality is a subject that should never be decided by society but rather on an instance basis and only by those people directly involved in that particular instance.Morality is none of societies business.

It certainly should be but unfortunately societal morality too often influences law. That's sad.