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Author Topic:   A Book about the Anti-Trump Conspiracy
Faith
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Message 211 of 277 (837195)
07-28-2018 1:01 PM
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07-28-2018 12:29 PM


Re: the problem
There was a time when it was considered civilized to treat another's very different opinion with some respect. But the world has been getting less civilized by the minute it seems lately.
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jar
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Message 212 of 277 (837200)
07-28-2018 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by Faith
07-28-2018 1:01 PM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

There was a time when it was considered civilized to treat another's very different opinion with some respect.

Utter and complete bullshit Faith.

Not all opinions deserve to be treated with respect, particularly opinions that are shown to be false by reality. It is fine to allow others to hold opinions that are not based at all on reality but not to allow those opinions to be forced or imposed on others.

The fact is after over sixty posts you have still not provided a single piece of evidence that there even is an anti-Trump conspiracy.


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PaulK
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Message 213 of 277 (837201)
07-28-2018 1:31 PM
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07-28-2018 1:01 PM


Re: the problem
Because declaring yourself to be unquestionably right - refusing to even consider evidence or argument to the contrary - shows such respect for other views,
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Message 214 of 277 (837204)
07-28-2018 1:44 PM
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07-28-2018 1:01 PM


Re: the problem
There was a time when it was considered civilized to treat another's very different opinion with some respect. But the world has been getting less civilized by the minute it seems lately.

Spewing out things like "Liberal Nazi" surely aren't examples of civilized discussion. You are not here to debate or discuss. You are here to state your position and then complain about not having your words accepted as truth.

How about just a little bit of introspection/ Maybe once in every 10 threads you start?


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Chiroptera
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Message 215 of 277 (837206)
07-28-2018 1:47 PM
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07-28-2018 11:45 AM


Re: the problem
Maybe. But I haven't really come across any right wingers who seem to be interested in narrowing any "political chasm". A lot are just screaming, "Listen to me yell, and agree with everything I say!"


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Faith
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Message 216 of 277 (837209)
07-28-2018 2:45 PM
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07-28-2018 1:44 PM


Re: the problem
Spewing out things like "Liberal Nazi" surely aren't examples of civilized discussion. You are not here to debate or discuss. You are here to state your position and then complain about not having your words accepted as truth.

I'm not saying I'm innocent, I'm just pointing to obvious infractions. But also here I am in the midst of nothing but leftist voices slamming Trump in every possible way as well as his supporters, and most of the stuff is Liberal Nazi stuff. AND I didn't say I want everything I say "accepted as truth" although that would certainly be appropriate in many cases, just treated as a reasonable opinion that represents Trump supporters. Instead it's just one slam after another.


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Faith
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Message 217 of 277 (837210)
07-28-2018 2:46 PM
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07-28-2018 1:47 PM


Re: the problem
But saying that Trump could come shoot their children is just off the wall; no discussion is possible after that kind of comment.
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Message 218 of 277 (837211)
07-28-2018 2:51 PM
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07-28-2018 2:46 PM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

But saying that Trump could come shoot their children is just off the wall; no discussion is possible after that kind of comment.


That's just a variation on Trump's own statement.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Chiroptera
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Message 219 of 277 (837212)
07-28-2018 3:00 PM
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07-28-2018 2:46 PM


Re: the problem
Okay, what if I had said that he could rip their own children out of their arms and put them in internment centers?


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PaulK
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Message 220 of 277 (837213)
07-28-2018 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by Faith
07-28-2018 2:45 PM


Re: the problem
quote:

I'm not saying I'm innocent,

Indeed, you are the worst offender.

quote:

I'm just pointing to obvious infractions.

Youíre just whining because people dare to criticise you, as usual.

quote:

But also here I am in the midst of nothing but leftist voices slamming Trump in every possible way as well as his supporters, and most of the stuff is Liberal Nazi stuff.

Which just means opinions - or facts -you donít like.

quote:

AND I didn't say I want everything I say "accepted as truth" although that would certainly be appropriate in many cases, just treated as a reasonable opinion that represents Trump supporters

Much of what you say is not reasonable opinion. The whole idea of a conspiracy in the press hardly seems reasonable for a start. Especially when we add in your claims of bias, too. A widespread bias does not require a conspiracy.

And then there is the fact that you will happily endorse far worse behaviour from media biased towards the far right, which makes your complaints look more than a little hypocritical.

quote:

Instead it's just one slam after another.

So the people you are abusing dare to truthfully criticise you. How dreadful.

Edited by PaulK, : No reason given.


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JonF
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Message 221 of 277 (837214)
07-28-2018 3:02 PM
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07-28-2018 2:45 PM


Re: the problem
and most of the stuff is Liberal Nazi stuff

Almost all of the stuff if established fact.

Nazis are right-wing. "Liberal Nazi" is a contradiction in two words.


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Faith
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Message 222 of 277 (837215)
07-28-2018 3:03 PM
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07-28-2018 3:00 PM


Re: the problem
I'd say that's a typical leftist paranoid fantasy about Trump that shows just how gaping the chasm is.
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Faith
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Message 223 of 277 (837216)
07-28-2018 3:06 PM
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07-28-2018 3:02 PM


Re: the problem
It is very clear that the fascist impulse is coming from the Left rather than the right these days. Reagan said it would and he was right. And I just heard a book read written fifteen years ago that described cultural trends that were leading to leftist fascism even then.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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2Cr 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God...

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If fascism comes to America it will be in the form of liberalism -Ronald Reagan


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jar
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Message 224 of 277 (837217)
07-28-2018 3:22 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by Faith
07-28-2018 3:06 PM


Re: the problem
No one doubts you read books filled with absurdities Faith, BUT... Fascism does already have a definition and Left or Liberal are not part of it.

To claim a leftist Fascism is simply a sign of ignorance at best and most likely dishonesty.

There are certain characteristics of fascism; extreme nationality, an emphasis on building the military, espousing traditional morality, corporatism, authoritarian charismatic leaders ... none of those are liberal, socialist or leftist but all of them are present in Trump's administration.


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Chiroptera
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Message 225 of 277 (837218)
07-28-2018 3:28 PM
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07-28-2018 3:03 PM


Re: the problem
Are you saying that it's paranoid to think that Trump would advocate a policy of removing children from their parents and holding them in internment centers?

Or just that it's paranoid to suggest that Trump would do it himself, personally?



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