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Faith
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Message 226 of 277 (837224)
07-28-2018 8:43 PM
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07-28-2018 3:22 PM


fascism
Fascism - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce, which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

For "ultranationalism" read One World Order and you've got Liberal Fascism.

By the way, I mentioned somewhere recently, oh I think on the End Times Prophecy thread -- HERE: Message 292 -- that architecture and art in our government buildings displays a surprising influence from pagan Rome and Greece, mostly Rome. The painting of Washington in the dome of the Capitol building presents him as a god among the Roman gods. How weird is that? I'm not sure where but somewhere in all that Roman stuff there is an image of the fasces, which is defined as follows:

fas·ces
ˈfasēz/
nounhistorical
plural noun: fasces; noun: fascis
(in ancient Rome) a bundle of rods with a projecting ax blade, carried by a lictor as a symbol of a magistrate's power, and used as an emblem of authority in Fascist Italy.

All this is completely at odds with the guiding principles of this nation, whether from the Enlightenment or Protestant Christianity and certainly ought to raise questions how it all got there and who was behind it.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 227 of 277 (837225)
07-28-2018 8:46 PM
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07-28-2018 3:28 PM


Re: the problem
That policy came from other sources than Trump as a way of dealing with ililegal immigrants.
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jar
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Message 228 of 277 (837226)
07-28-2018 8:53 PM
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07-28-2018 8:43 PM


Re: fascism
Faith writes:

For "ultranationalism" read One World Order and you've got Liberal Fascism.


You really can't be that ignorant.

One World Order is the exact opposite of Nationalism or ultra-nationalism and only the totally ignorant or utterly dishonest would make a claim that they were similar.

In addition, there is absolutely no evidence of any One World Order in any liberal proposals.

Finally Liberal Fascism is still an impossible.

The rest of your post is just more absurdities that are the hallmark of your Cults dogma.


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Faith
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Message 229 of 277 (837228)
07-28-2018 9:00 PM
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07-28-2018 8:53 PM


Re: fascism
One World Order is the absolute epitome of totalitarian government, oppression, dictatorship and authoritarian control.
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Faith
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Message 230 of 277 (837229)
07-28-2018 9:11 PM
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07-28-2018 9:00 PM


Re: fascism
Speaking of the One World Order this message keeps being sent to my blog, about how I'm obligated to obey a European Union law about having cookies on one's blog, which I don't have as far as I know:

European Union laws require you to give European Union visitors information about cookies used and data collected on your blog. In many cases, these laws also require you to obtain consent.

As a courtesy, we have added a notice on your blog to explain Google's use of certain Blogger and Google cookies, including use of Google Analytics and AdSense cookies, and other data collected by Google.

You are responsible for confirming this notice actually works for your blog, and that it displays. If you employ other cookies, for example by adding third party features, this notice may not work for you. If you include functionality from other providers there may be extra information collected from your users.

Learn more about this notice and your responsibilities.

Your HTTPS settings have changed. All visitors are now able to view your blog over an encrypted connection... Existing links and bookmarks to your blog will continue to work. Learn more.

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All I know is that whatever Google has done to my blogs has made it impossible for me to read comments or even navigate behind the scenes in many ways as I used to, which has led me to more or less abandon them, though I saw this message again because I did want to write a couple of new posts.

As for the EU law, how is an American citizen now being asked to obey the law of a foreign entity?

I'd be happy to send them a box of cookies of course.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Capt Stormfield
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Message 231 of 277 (837230)
07-29-2018 1:27 AM
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07-28-2018 9:11 PM


Re: fascism
Speaking of the One World Order this message keeps being sent to my blog, about how I'm obligated to obey a European Union law about having cookies on one's blog, which I don't have as far as I know...

...All I know is that whatever Google has done to my blogs has made it impossible for me to read comments or even navigate behind the scenes in many ways as I used to, which has led me to more or less abandon them, though I saw this message again because I did want to write a couple of new posts.

As for the EU law, how is an American citizen now being asked to obey the law of a foreign entity?

Here, let me help you understand. In this equation, you're a gay couple. The E.U. is a God-fearing wedding-cake bakers co-op. They don't want to do business with queers.


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Capt Stormfield
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Message 232 of 277 (837231)
07-29-2018 1:39 AM
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07-28-2018 9:11 PM


Re: fascism
As for the EU law, how is an American citizen now being asked to obey the law of a foreign entity?

Ever hear the phrase "the ugly American"? When you can't understand why other countries can have laws that apply to you when you try to do business there, that's kind of you. Or perhaps you haven't quite grasped the Zen of the first two W's in "www".


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jar
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Message 233 of 277 (837237)
07-29-2018 7:12 AM
Reply to: Message 230 by Faith
07-28-2018 9:11 PM


Re: fascism
Faith writes:

One World Order is the absolute epitome of totalitarian government, oppression, dictatorship and authoritarian control.

Yes, I know your Cult desires and promotes just that; it is called the Second Coming.

Faith writes:

Speaking of the One World Order this message keeps being sent to my blog, about how I'm obligated to obey a European Union law about having cookies on one's blog, which I don't have as far as I know:

Then perhaps you should learn what "cookies" are and what they do. What the law says is that if you retain information about visitors from the EU you inform them of that fact.

But how that is any indication of some One World Order you have not yet explained.


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Percy
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Message 234 of 277 (837249)
07-29-2018 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by Faith
07-28-2018 10:42 AM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

The more you trash the man...

I'm not trashing the Trump. I'm just quoting his words, showing him on video, recounting his deeds, and he trashes himself.

...the more those on my side just regroup against you.

So pointing out facts just hardens you in your fact-less stance.

The man is human, with a sincere love of America...

You're referring to his xenophobia (which is real) and his jingoism (which is a pose that he uses because it plays well with his base - the Russia stuff gives it away).

...that we don't see on the Left,...

Yes, that is true, you're not going to see unprovoked attacks from the left upon people who merely stick up for their rights.

...and a sincere desire to "make America great again"...

He is making America the laughing stock of the world. Should I provide you a list of quotes from world leaders about Trump, surprising it exists at all given how circumspect world leaders generally are?

...which is far from the Left's thinking,...

Why would you think that? Because Trump told you?

...and his ideas about how to do that might not be feasible...

He doesn't care about feasibility. He cares about appealing to his base.

...but his desire to bring them about makes him a good guy.

His desire to make America white again, to impose suffering on children, to implement policies that hurt those who voted for him like farmers and BMW and Harley Davidson and nail manufacturers and so forth, and his refusal to begin protecting the independence of our elections, and his denigration of law enforcement, his criticism of the Fed which is traditionally independent, and his enriching himself and his fellow rich at the expense of everyone else, and the deficits he created, and that he doesn't know how to increase wages even though he says he does, and his attacks on what should be independent investigations, and his attacks on anyone who might bring evidence against him, and his constant lying, makes him a very dangerous guy.

If there hadn't been such a steep slide from old fashioned liberal Democrats to frank Marxist-Communist anti-Americanism since the sixties, we might not have had to be content with a flawed man like Trump. But he IS the only one who sees these things as we do.

You're being sold a bill of goods. The Democrats are not Marxist-Communist anti-Americans. They're pursuing policies for the poor and indigent and sick and injured and elderly and the environment and economic fairness. Trump is committing enough misdeeds to fill every paper throughout the country every day, and you just refuse to see it.

--Percy


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Faith
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Message 235 of 277 (837252)
07-29-2018 12:11 PM
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07-29-2018 11:33 AM


Re: the problem
No, you are not just giving facts; your whole method is to twist what Trump says into something else, something sleazy of course (he doesn't care about feasibility, only appealing to his base; it's really about making America "white" again, and it's all about making himself rich etc). As long as this is your method and you deny the way his supporters see it, you are only alienating honest people and there is no closing of the political chasm possible.

Foreign leaders wouldn't dare have the opinions they have if there weren't so many leftist Americans trying to pull him down.

There's nothing racist about anything Trump is proposing, that's just the usual Marxist Political Correctness designed to trash the man as I said, and as long as you continue to twist everything he says you will continue to alienate the rest of us.

All your analyses of him are the usual character assassination. If you wanted to talk policies you;d have to do it fairly and neutrally, but I'm afraid you are so committed to leftist tactics that isn't possible.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 236 of 277 (837260)
07-29-2018 4:27 PM
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07-29-2018 12:11 PM


Re: the problem
No, you are not just giving facts; your whole method is to twist what Trump says into something else, something sleazy of course (he doesn't care about feasibility, only appealing to his base;

Do you have any arguments. Is your only contribution assertions and indignation? Everybody else here can assert facts backed up by sources. And all you can do is rattle off a conspiracy theory.

Why isn't there a single conservative poster who can make a case for Trump being right without resorting to little more than making assertions and claiming that every source that documents Trump's worst statements are all wrong.

I can make a case for Trump having a toxic agenda just by quoting Trump's own statements. I can also defend that case against your accusations of misquoting. But it never comes to that because all you ever do is assert and whine.

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"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT


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Message 237 of 277 (837262)
07-29-2018 4:39 PM
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07-29-2018 12:11 PM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

... you are only alienating honest people and there is no closing of the political chasm possible.


You said yourself that Trump's supporters will never budge. Of course the chasm will never be closed as long as you insist on all of the movement coming from one side. You're obviously not interested in closing any chasm. You just want to be right.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith
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Message 238 of 277 (837269)
07-29-2018 6:48 PM
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07-29-2018 4:39 PM


Re: the problem
Of course we aren't going to budge on the twisting of his words and the fake news reports. It's the left that has to give on those things.
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jar
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Message 239 of 277 (837270)
07-29-2018 7:06 PM
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07-29-2018 6:48 PM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

Of course we aren't going to budge on the twisting of his words and the fake news reports. It's the left that has to give on those things.

Yet you can offer no evidence to show that "twisting his words and the fake news reports" even exists and is anything more than wilful mass delusion.


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Faith
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Message 240 of 277 (837273)
07-29-2018 8:07 PM
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07-29-2018 7:06 PM


Re: the problem
I referred to three instances of it from Percy's message in my post.
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