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Message 241 of 277 (837275)
07-29-2018 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 240 by Faith
07-29-2018 8:07 PM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

I referred to three instances of it from Percy's message in my post.

If by post you mean Message 235 then no; you did not refer to any instances but just made more totally unsupported assertion.

If you meant some other post then you need to provide the link to that post.

But so far you still have not shown any reason to think the book or Trump support is based on anything but wilful mass delusion.


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Message 242 of 277 (837276)
07-29-2018 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by jar
07-29-2018 8:29 PM


Re: the problem
I listed these three distortions of Trump's and his supporters' views:

... your whole method is to twist what Trump says into something else, something sleazy of course
  • (he doesn't care about feasibility, only appealing to his base;
  • it's really about making America "white" again,
  • and it's all about making himself rich etc

This is character assassination, typical of the left and only too familiar at EvC.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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jar
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Message 243 of 277 (837277)
07-29-2018 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 242 by Faith
07-29-2018 8:50 PM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

I listed these three distortions of Trump's and his supporters' views:

... your whole method is to twist what Trump says into something else, something sleazy of course

  • (he doesn't care about feasibility, only appealing to his base;
  • it's really about making America "white" again,
  • and it's all about making himself rich etc

This is character assassination, typical of the left and only too familiar at EvC.

No Faith, those are all simply unsupported assertions on your part.

You need to provide the evidence to support your position because reality shows Percy's postition is match by Trump's begavor and speech.

Edited by jar, : fix quotebox


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Message 244 of 277 (837278)
07-29-2018 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 242 by Faith
07-29-2018 8:50 PM


Re: the problem
This is character assassination, typical of the left and only too familiar at EvC.

Folks who attack character are supposed to back up they say. Their defenders ought be about addressing facts instead of making assertions.

Part of the discussion here is about Trump's character. If you don't believe that to be important, that's one thing. I happen to think that the president's character is worth discussing.

Do you have any facts? Are you ready to deal in a fact based discussion about Trump's character, or do you want to just complain?


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!Ē

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT


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Message 245 of 277 (837279)
07-29-2018 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by NoNukes
07-29-2018 8:55 PM


Re: the problem
THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR TWISTING A PERSON'S WORDS. THAT IS LYING PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
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Message 246 of 277 (837280)
07-29-2018 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by Faith
07-29-2018 9:10 PM


Re: the problem
THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR TWISTING A PERSON'S WORDS. THAT IS LYING PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

Make your case. With facts. No need to shout.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!Ē

We got a thousand points of light for the homeless man. We've got a kinder, gentler, machine gun hand. Neil Young, Rockin' in the Free World.

Worrying about the "browning of America" is not racism. -- Faith

I hate you all, you hate me -- Faith

No it is based on math I studied in sixth grade, just plain old addition, substraction and multiplication. -- ICANT


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Message 247 of 277 (837281)
07-29-2018 9:24 PM
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07-29-2018 9:13 PM


Re: the problem
I made the case for his twisting his words and imputing sleazy motives to him without warrant.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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jar
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Message 248 of 277 (837285)
07-29-2018 9:43 PM
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07-29-2018 9:24 PM


Re: the problem
Faith writes:

I made the case for his twisting his words and imputing sleazy motives to him without warrant.

No Faith, you did not.

The way you could try to make that case is by providing a specific quote as well as the specific evidence that his words were twisted.

As to imputing sleazy motives to him; you will have a real problem since his own words show sleazy motives.


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Message 249 of 277 (837287)
07-30-2018 12:13 AM
Reply to: Message 238 by Faith
07-29-2018 6:48 PM


Re: the problem
quote:

Of course we aren't going to budge on the twisting of his words and the fake news reports. It's the left that has to give on those things.

In other words the lies and the hate will continue until the press become a Trump propaganda machine.

And I donít believe for a minute that your demands will stop with whitewashing Trump, rewriting all the tweets he goes back on, and so on. You love your twisting and your fake news and your hate too much. Youíll be demanding that the mainstream news media throw any remaining morals beside to embrace those next.


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Message 250 of 277 (837289)
07-30-2018 2:07 AM
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07-30-2018 12:13 AM


Re: the problem
I must say you are getting really really good at PC character assassination. Top notch there, good show. Can't even count the twists and lies in that one.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 251 of 277 (837291)
07-30-2018 2:29 AM
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07-30-2018 2:07 AM


Re: the problem
There are no lies. That is why you rely on empty accusations, without support. Itís the real reason why you refuse to discuss the issues.
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Message 252 of 277 (837305)
07-30-2018 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 235 by Faith
07-29-2018 12:11 PM


Re: the problem
I've read through to the end of the thread, and no one seems able to help you understand how restating your opinion doesn't constitute rebuttal, fact or even explanation.

Trump said just what the videos show him saying, and just what the quotes quote him saying. He did pay off (or have paid off) porn stars and playboy bunnies. He is a cheater and womanizing philanderer. He did enact tariffs that are causing hardships by businesses that are already causing layoffs. He did say he takes Putin's word over his own intelligent agencies. He did say the North Korean problem is solved when it isn't. He did order LBGT's out of the military. He did refuse to make his tax return public. He did attack the media as the enemy of the American people. He is continuously trying to obstruct and end the Mueller investigation. He did cut taxes for the rich, including himself. He is causing the largest deficits in US history. He refused to implement the Russian sanctions enacted by Congress until forced to. He did refuse to divest himself of his businesses and so is making money off the presidency, just as lawsuits now allege. He is anti-Muslim. He is anti-black. He does lie constantly.

Faith writes:

...you are only alienating honest people...

Honest people are not alienated by the truth. Honest people don't cast accusations like "Liberal Nazis" and "Lefty Fascists."

If you wanted to talk policies you;d have to do it fairly and neutrally, but I'm afraid you are so committed to leftist tactics that isn't possible.

I'm neither a leftist for a rightist. I'm neither a Republican not a Democrat. I'm a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. I voted for Ford, Reagan, George H. W. Bush and Hillary Clinton (but not Bill Clinton, George W. Bush or Barack Obama - I abstained). Sometime during the Obama administration the Republican party went crazy, starting with the Tea Party movement. Opposing the current Republican insanity and their complicity in the Trump disaster does not make anyone a leftist. Even George Will, that elder statesman and bastion of the right, opposes the current Republican party and is encouraging people to vote Democrat in the 2018 elections (This sad, embarrassing wreck of a man, Vote against the GOP this November).

Besides that, neither I nor any of the other participants are the topic here, so please stop trying to turn discussion into who is left and who is not.

Honest people don't lie, so stop lying about your participation in this thread. The truth is that you have consistently refused to engage any of the specifics offered throughout this thread. You've replied to less than half the posts to you and none of the substance. Rather than engaging in rebuttals you have engaged in character assassination. You haven't even attempted to address your own topic. If Pirro's book later backs up its first chapter claims with facts, tell us what they are.

--Percy


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Message 253 of 277 (837308)
07-30-2018 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 248 by jar
07-29-2018 9:43 PM


Re: the problem
I referred to what he actually said and answered it.
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Faith
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Message 254 of 277 (837309)
07-30-2018 10:40 AM
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07-30-2018 10:18 AM


Re: the problem
You use leftist tactics in this argument no matter what your voting record is. There are Republicans these days who have some unfortunately leftist tendencies.
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jar
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Message 255 of 277 (837310)
07-30-2018 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 253 by Faith
07-30-2018 10:39 AM


No Faith, you did not address anything of substance as usual.
No Faith, you did not.

The way you could try to make that case is by providing a specific quote as well as the specific evidence that his words were twisted.

As to imputing sleazy motives to him; you will have a real problem since his own words show sleazy motives.


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