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Author Topic:   A truly chilling new poll on American attitudes about the media
jar
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Message 1 of 18 (837782)
08-09-2018 8:14 AM


Yesterday IPSOS, the international research firm, published the results of a poll on Americans Attitudes towards the Media and some of the results are really scary.
quote:
Some of the limits of public support for freedom of the press are made stark with a quarter of Americans (26%) saying they agree the president should have the authority to close news outlets engaged in bad behavior, including a plurality of Republicans (43%). Likewise, most Americans (72%) think it should be easier to sue reporters who knowingly publish false information.
quote:
Returning to President Trump’s views on the press, almost a third of the American people (29%) agree with the idea that the news media is the enemy of the American people, including a plurality of Republicans (48%).
This is a continuation of what is common in the Christian Cult of Ignorance where the CCoI has created alternative news outlets, alternative school systems, alternative media sources, alternative web browsers, alternative colleges, alternative Accreditation systems all designed to limit the peoples access to anything but those ideas approved by the dogma of the particular cult.
It is a massive Authoritative Cult of Avoidance and Willful Ignorance.

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jar
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Message 6 of 18 (837795)
08-09-2018 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by RAZD
08-09-2018 10:51 AM


Re: Freedom
But false news would be what the legal system says is false news. And so which platform would get cut down in the US today?

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jar
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Message 13 of 18 (837857)
08-10-2018 6:42 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by NoNukes
08-10-2018 12:25 AM


what is true in the fantasy world
NoNukes writes:
False Reports Inc reports that Trump won the Nobel Prize for Physics. Faith buys that, hook line and sinker, but you know better because you immediately wrote to the Prize committee who issued a strong denial which was not reported by False. Who gets to sue?
Anyone can sue, that is the easy part. It is the courts though that decide whether or not to even hear the case. In the US Judges are a political entity. They are elected or appointed by politicians.
As the Cult of Ignorance and Fantasy grows and more of our citizenry become divorced from reality and evidence based decision making the whole concept of truth and falsehood becomes a matter of what a majority believes is true or false rather than what is supported by the evidence.

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jar
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Message 15 of 18 (837872)
08-10-2018 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by NoNukes
08-10-2018 8:35 AM


Re: what is true in the fantasy world
NoNukes writes:
The problem is that suing requires that you have an injury or you don't have standing.
But it is the courts that decide standing and as more and more Judges are elected/appointed that are not evidence/reality based decision makers but rather fantasy/dogma based decision makers what constitutes "standing" may well change to the point many of us will find it unrecognizable.
We have seen this in the fairly recent past, during the attempts to find juries to try the Klan over lynchings and other violence and in the general spoils system of politics that was the norm at least up until the Garfield Presidency and that actually lead to his assassination.
Look at where the greatest support for shutting down media organizations and suing over false news came from in the poll.
NoNukes writes:
Finally, the buffoons who believe the lies are not going to sue. They desperately want the lies to keep coming.
But it is exactly those buffoons who will sue the reporter and news source that publishes that Trump did not win the Nobel Prize for Physics and that the Prize committee issued a strong denial that he had done so. It is that False News that will be the topic.
Remember, we are living in an age when Federal Budget Requests may NOT use the terms evidence based as justification for policy or funding.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

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jar
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Message 17 of 18 (837876)
08-10-2018 9:25 AM
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08-10-2018 9:04 AM


Re: what is true in the fantasy world
NoNukes writes:
Standing is, at least in part, a constitutional issue. And where the first amendment is concerned, courts and even the legislature are not free to just make up their own rules.
But in reality the courts do make up their own rules even today which is why cases are appealed and move up a chain to the court that can and does make up their own rules. And the buffoons are very likely gonna succeed in packing that court and several layers under that court as things go for at least a few decades.
NoNukes writes:
Such folks will lose immediately.
Only if the courts and judges are reality based decision makers. It has not been very long since many courts would never take the word of a non-white over a white man; regardless of any evidence that existed.

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