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Author Topic:   A truly chilling new poll on American attitudes about the media
NoNukes
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Message 16 of 18 (837874)
08-10-2018 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by jar
08-10-2018 8:52 AM


Re: what is true in the fantasy world
But it is the courts that decide standing

They decide standing issues but not based on their whims. Standing is, at least in part, a constitutional issue. And where the first amendment is concerned, courts and even the legislature are not free to just make up their own rules.

But it is exactly those buffoons who will sue the reporter and news source that publishes that Trump did not win the Nobel Prize for Physics and that the Prize committee issued a strong denial that he had done so. It is that False News that will be the topic.

Such folks will lose immediately. That's not a problem even if we don't put in the kind of laws RAZD suggests. You are not making your case with this argument, because your outcome will be a bad one.


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Message 17 of 18 (837876)
08-10-2018 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by NoNukes
08-10-2018 9:04 AM


Re: what is true in the fantasy world
NoNukes writes:

Standing is, at least in part, a constitutional issue. And where the first amendment is concerned, courts and even the legislature are not free to just make up their own rules.

But in reality the courts do make up their own rules even today which is why cases are appealed and move up a chain to the court that can and does make up their own rules. And the buffoons are very likely gonna succeed in packing that court and several layers under that court as things go for at least a few decades.

NoNukes writes:

Such folks will lose immediately.

Only if the courts and judges are reality based decision makers. It has not been very long since many courts would never take the word of a non-white over a white man; regardless of any evidence that existed.


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Message 18 of 18 (837888)
08-10-2018 12:10 PM
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08-10-2018 9:25 AM


Re: what is true in the fantasy world
jar writes:

But in reality the courts do make up their own rules even today which is why cases are appealed and move up a chain to the court that can and does make up their own rules.

In reality, the courts interpret the rules. It is a subtle yet important distinction.

Only if the courts and judges are reality based decision makers. It has not been very long since many courts would never take the word of a non-white over a white man; regardless of any evidence that existed.

The principle that we have always pushed towards is an unbiased and independent judiciary. I don't think we will ever attain a perfect judiciary, but it has certainly improved over the years. Let's just hope we don't take a step backwards.


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