Tribute Thread For the Recently Raptured Faith

Interesting! I watched this video of him and found that he also had sound teaching in the tradition of Biblical Christianity.

I don't know about that. I can imagine many versions of Heaven that work quite well with free will - and a loving, all powerful rule-making God.
But I agree that it seems clear that the idea of Heaven as described here - where everyone does what God wants all the time - and free will do not go together. Well, I could imagine many worse hells.
But this certainly does seem to make the grade of "a" hell.Have you ever been bored in this temporary, mortal life?
How long do you think it will take for you to get bored if you have all of eternity of only doing one thing?Remember this thread? Eternal Life (thanks, but no thanks)

No, I don't think so.
I just thought Faith was speaking about fanciful, foolish, silly things - so I decided to play along.

Chapter and verse? There's a difference. Speaking in tongues is supposedly the Holy Spirit speaking directly, using a person's voice, in a language that that person doesn't understand. A prophet, on the other hand, is relaying a message in his own words in a language that he and everybody else understands. Two thoroughly different methods of communication, albeit with the same source.

Bingo.

Hi Faith, hope you are well. This may seem obvious to you, despite your not having been there, but it is far from obvious to me. The echoing quality seems to be a feature of the "dual voice" effect. What you describe there is something else entirely. It sounds indistinguishable from simple voice-throwing. The "voice from inside a box" trick is yet another well-worn ventriloquist's trick.Or perhaps you heard these voices whilst alone, you don't say. If that is the case... I'm tempted to agree, sort of.Mutate and Survive

Check out QuoraI do not believe that I am inventing Him, of course.
jar would argue that inventing Him is all that humans can do.
You seem to think that doing what the message tells us is enough---that we should simply get on with our finite lives, do as much good as possible, and trash religion.I won't say that I would do it as you do it...but I can respect your philosophy.Why do you think that *we* need God? Do you wish that He existed, and, if so, what attributes would you imagine from Him?We have discussed before that He has an obligation to prevent any evil that He foreknows...but play devils advocate a minute and come up with a reason for Him not to intervene.

We trash religion like we trash junk mail. If it didn't keep coming to our door, we wouldn't need to trash it. Why do you think that some of *us* need heroin? Suppose you see a small child about to be run over by a car. All you have to do is pull her out of the way, with no risk to yourself.Now YOU play devil's advocate. Come up with a reason for YOU not to intervene.

Because I can't simply magically direct people, objects, cars, and babies as if humanity were my puppets.Oh, I suppose technically I could...but it won't be in any way the world as reality knows it now. Care to argue with me and sue me for negligence? You must realize that simply saving every baby that wanders into dangers path is not my job. For that, you need a genie.

In the scenario, you can. It's just a simple grab and pull, no magic required.Same for God. He CAN magically direct people, objects, cars, and babies as if humanity were His puppets.Why wouldn't YOU act? I definitely would. Yes, it definitely is. You are your brother's keeper. No, you need a human.

On the one hand you are saying that only humans are needed. No God required.On the other, you are saying that if God exists he has the responsibility to act as if He were human. Jesus is Gods human component. And Jesus is not present bodily...unless you argue that we are His body. In which case, there is no magic involved at yanking every baby out of harm's way. there is only the message and we humans.So it seems you have steered me into agreeing with you that God is not necessary. You mentioned heroin, however. For me, the security of God is a bit like insurance. If I am to be honest, most of my interaction is with humanity. I talk to Him but never hear His reply except as an inner voice that arguably could be my own conscience. In a way, I feel that having these conversations with you involves Him in some way...even though you don't believe in Him the same way that I do.

No I'm not. I'm saying that humans are all there is - because God, if He exists at all, isn't doing anything. You're over-thinking. I said that YOU, in a situation in which you can save a human life with no risk to yourself, ARE obligated to act. That's as close to an absolute as you're ever likely to hear from me. It's baffling that you would even question the necessity for you to act.And I'm asking, why would God have less responsibility?

Problem is, He expects us to do everything. Im still praying that He will grab the back of the rope and help us in this tug of war with mediocrity.

I'm just overwhelmed with the responsibility. It leaves little time for relaxation, fun, and recreation in my life. Why should I spend every waking moment working without pay for a Mob Boss who won't put His weight into the situation? (And as I type these words, I realize how I have come to expect favor and blessings yet shirk responsibility. These talks are not always comfortable.)

So what's He good for?