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Faith
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Message 166 of 836 (839639)
09-11-2018 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by PaulK
09-11-2018 2:35 PM


Re: Salvation By Grace Through Faith Leads To Works
is a fact that Faith frequently makes false claims, without excuse. It is a fact that she loves lurid accusations made against those she hates - regardless of the evidence (thats why she likes Alex Jones, Ann Coulter and Chiniquy to name three obvious examples). It is a fact that she happily employs double standards when they are convenient to her.

Here it is evident that I'm "bad" for holding a different political point of view. And this is the usual personal attack that is against the rules that is being ignored instead of punished. No I don't do that in spite of your unevidenced assertion that I do.


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Faith
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Message 167 of 836 (839640)
09-11-2018 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by PaulK
09-11-2018 2:35 PM


Re: Salvation By Grace Through Faith Leads To Works
You are making wild nasty assertions without even a shred of evidence. You should be banned for them in any case, but where's your evidence? Quote me.
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Faith
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Message 168 of 836 (839641)
09-11-2018 6:47 PM


Well I think the Brits have gone to bed, it's almost midnight there, not sure where Phat went, Percy may be at dinner. Oh well, this place IS devoted to Political Correctness so how could I possibly expect anything else anyway?
    
Faith
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Message 169 of 836 (839642)
09-11-2018 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by PaulK
09-11-2018 2:35 PM


Re: Salvation By Grace Through Faith Leads To Works
This is really cute. I characterize the way PaulK is smearing me and that gets called making false accusations. Hey, deal with what PaulK said.
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Faith
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Message 170 of 836 (839643)
09-11-2018 7:11 PM


The Coming Pagan Utopia
Back to the radio book reading program where this is the book being read right now. He's been reading a chapter by Janet Mefford, who is new to me but well worth getting to know. Her chapter is mostly about the UN and global aspirations to suppress national sovereignty etc etc etc. .

Just wanted to put in a plug. I can't afford books right now but this one is high on my list and Mefford will probably become one of my go-to sites.

(BE: Speaking of books, I do read more these days because I had cataract surgery a few weeks ago, which has improved my close-up vision. The macular degeneration continues to interfere but with the cataracts gone images are much sharper in the near range even if the MD distorts them.)

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Faith
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Message 171 of 836 (839646)
09-11-2018 9:33 PM


End Times Conspiracies and LIes
Here's a radio show by Chris Pinto on the planned destruction of western civilization, meaning really Christianity, through immigration.

Another sign of the end times.


    
GDR
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Message 172 of 836 (839648)
09-11-2018 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by Phat
09-11-2018 2:22 PM


Re: We Can Work It Out?
Phat writes:

She claims that you wont be punished, but I am essentially stepping in as a mediator and saying that all of us should be punished...according to Faiths own belief. Jesus protects those of us who accept the pardon.
IF this is true, do you believe that it is fair for Jesus to only protect those who believe in Him or do you believe that we all should be judged by our works and behavior?


Hi Phat
This in a lot of ways is the problem with much of western Christianity. It is all about who is in and who is out. The whole NT is clear that figuring who is in and who is out is not our job. "Judge not that ye be not judged". We keep inserting ourselves into what essentially is God's business, instead of tending to our own which is simply to reflect God's love into the world.

It is clear that when we talk about faith it isn't about giving intellectual ascent to any specific religious doctrine. It is about faith in the concept of sacrificial love and then living our lives based on that faith.

As James tells us we will recognize people's faith by the works that they do.

Again, in Matthew 25 the sheep had no idea that what they were doing was for Jesus or that there might be a return for them in this life or the next. They just did what they did because that was where there heart was.

This concern for personal salvation is no different than the Pharisees belief that if they just followed all the laws that they had concocted that God would come and lead them in the defeat of their enemies in the here and now. Christian fundamentalism is to a very large degree based on the concept that if you believe the right stuff about Jesus that you get eternal life.
It again becomes all about "me", which is the exact opposite of what Jesus taught.

It essentially turns doctrinal belief into a work. Instead of the great commandment being about love of neighbour, it becomes the law of believing a particular doctrine.


He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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Faith
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Message 173 of 836 (839649)
09-11-2018 10:18 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by GDR
09-11-2018 9:51 PM


Re: We Can Work It Out?
It is about faith in the concept of sacrificial love and then living our lives based on that faith.

No, saving faith is faith in THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, not in any mere concept.

You've got "judge not" all wrong as so many people do. There are many places in scripture that should show your version of it is wrong if you read any of it. John 7:24 for instance says we are to judge RIGHTLY. That's the point, not that we aren't to judge but we are not to judge falsely and loosely as so many people do, and really we aren't to judge the sins of other people in particular because we are all sinners. Sin should be dealt with in private, as one friend to another, or in the congregation, it is none of our business to judge other people otherwise. Unless we're talking about crimes but that is another matter. But there are plenty of things we ARE to judge. Scripture says "Don't you know we are to judge angels?" That being the case we are charged with judging justly and fairly. Doctrinal concerns are certainly to be judged, false doctrine is to be exposed. Ignoring it would just let it proliferate and destroy people and churches. And you happen to be full of false doctrine, which needs judging and correction beyond my own abilities.

Faith is certainly not about mere intellectual assent, it certainly is not, it's a whole new frame of reference based on faith in CHRIST. In Christ's death on the cross for us, in Christ's resurrection and ascension for us.

Sacrificial love is wonderful, but if it isn't done in the will and power of God through the Holy Spirit it is nothing but fleshly delusion, and you really need to learn this for the sake of your immortal soul.

abe: THE FIRST THING you need to learn about sacrificial love is that CHRIST"S SACRIFICIAL LOVE took Him to death on the cross to save us, but this magnificent expression of sacrificial love you trivialize and denigrate as if believing in it were some kind of evil, and you think your own paltry personal version of sacrificial love is an improvement on His. And you say all this in tones of superior sanctity while denigrating the Son of God Himself. /abe

Yes faith is recognized by works, but if you've got the wrong idea about what works are acceptable to God you've missed the whole point.

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GDR
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Message 174 of 836 (839650)
09-11-2018 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by Faith
09-11-2018 10:18 PM


Faith writes:

No, saving faith is faith in THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, not in any mere concept.


No, it is about faith in the life Jesus espoused and then living that faith. As Christians yes it is in the trust of the Jesus and His message, but again it is about taking that message on board so that our hearts are changed by the message. That though, is our vocation. It is not a tool there to get us into heaven.

As Christians we are called to trust in God's prefect judgement and let him worry about it. Our job is to live the lives that we are called to.

Yes we are called to judge but we are not called to pass judgement on people. We are called to judge what is right and what is wrong and then be guided by that. We are called to lives that humbly love kindness and justice for all.


He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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PaulK
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Message 175 of 836 (839651)
09-12-2018 12:12 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by Faith
09-11-2018 6:32 PM


Re: Salvation By Grace Through Faith Leads To Works
quote:

Here it is evident that I'm "bad" for holding a different political point of view.

By which you mean that you are consumed with a vicious hatred for people who hold differing political views. That is why - to use just one example - you considered Pizzagate plausible even after it had been exposed - and despite the fact that it was never anything more than wild accusations invented on the internet.

Thats as clear a demonstration of hypocrisy as Ive ever seen.

And that is where Jesus do not judge comes in. Its a warning that God will judge you as you judge others.


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PaulK
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Message 176 of 836 (839652)
09-12-2018 12:25 AM
Reply to: Message 167 by Faith
09-11-2018 6:38 PM


Re: Salvation By Grace Through Faith Leads To Works
quote:

You are making wild nasty assertions without even a shred of evidence

Theres nothing wild about them as you well know.

Youve admitted that I was right that you love Alex Jones, Ann Coulter and Chiniquy and I hardly need to point out that they all produce lurid accusations that you are prepared to endorse.

Making claims you should know to be false? Thats easy. Message 49 (The fact that you were trying to defend a troll without even understanding that he was almost certainly equating Punctuated Equilibria with saltation - and end up inventing an irrational and mistaken reason to call PE magic is just the icing on the cake).

quote:

You should be banned for them in any case...

And again you demonstrate your hypocrisy.


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PaulK
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Message 177 of 836 (839653)
09-12-2018 12:30 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by Faith
09-11-2018 6:18 PM


quote:

Nobody has a right on a message board to criticize another person. That's against the rules. Argue the topic.

And yet you continue with a stream of false complaints, even demanding answers. A funny way of arguing the topic.


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Message 178 of 836 (839654)
09-12-2018 12:59 AM
Reply to: Message 170 by Faith
09-11-2018 7:11 PM


Re: The Coming Pagan Utopia
Faith writes:

(BE: Speaking of books, I do read more these days because I had cataract surgery a few weeks ago, which has improved my close-up vision. The macular degeneration continues to interfere but with the cataracts gone images are much sharper in the near range even if the MD distorts them.)

So glad to hear this - am very happy for you.

Percy


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Tangle
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Message 179 of 836 (839655)
09-12-2018 2:02 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by Faith
09-11-2018 6:22 PM


Faith writes:

I'm not reading that.


I didn't expect that you would. (It was another little prophecy I made) It's there as a reference for anyone that actually wants to see the research and evidence for confirmation bias. There's a lot of experiments and papers referred to, each can be followed up to see methodology etc. It's how science accumulates knowledge.

Of course you would not want to read or know about it. If you did read it you'd reject it out of hand. Nevertheless, it's proven science.

How about you do the experiment I suggested?

Because it's not necessary; there's real research and peer reviewed science available - you don't have to have just one guy's subjective testing.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Faith
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Message 180 of 836 (839661)
09-12-2018 6:47 AM
Reply to: Message 179 by Tangle
09-12-2018 2:02 AM


Another one: the Bible reading program was at Joshua 6:22 when I turned it on, describing how the Israelites brought Rahab and her family out of Jericho before destroying it.

You can't be thinking about the actual phenomena going on here in trying to reduce it to ordinary confirmation bias.

By the way I've started thinking of these things as much more personal messages to me than before: leave this world and its toys behind, this world that is doomed to destruction anyway, and come seek Me with all your heart. I'd already realized that if the Rapture didn't happen that's the direction I should go in anyway. The whole experience, wondering if I was really ready, am I an "overcomer" or not and so on, woke me up to the need for a more serious pursuit of God. So despite the disappointment it's probably a good thing it didn't happen yet.

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