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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The writers of this book are not idiots. They would know if the Protestant Reformation belonged in that history book or not.
And your idea of "truthful criticism" is nothing but a personal slanderous attack on me which is officially against the rules here, though the place has been given over to sheer anarchy over the last few years, even with overt justification of this kind of personal attack. Really pretty sleazy stuff going on. In any case it's got nothing to do with truth, it's all about your basic hateful attitude toward me personally. And I am pretty good at recognizing misrepresentations of Christianity in films. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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quote: I invite you to contribute to uncovering the truth then. You can start by identifying the book in question.
quote: Exactly Faith. When people dare to truthfully criticise you, you start lying just like that. It’s exactly the same with the criticism of Trump, we get the fake news lies and the conspiracy lies. But you are happy to credit absolutely fake news like Pizzagate.
quote: You are pretty good at seeing what you want to see. As the first sentence there proves.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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An example of the author’s bias
Look at it this way: An atheist would argue that God, as a product of imagination, has no real place in an objective news report. A Christian would argue that God's existence and sovereign ty are objective truth, regardless of an atheist's personal belief in God's nonexistence. Is an objective reporter supposed to treat God as matter of fact (in which case he is joining the theistic side) or matter of opinion (in which case he has assumed the truth of atheism)?
You will note that the presentation is clearly slanted. Taking no position on an issue that cannot be objectively established either way is presented as taking a side. Not only are the authors clearly biased, their presentation is clearly biased , too.
Chapter 4
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I'm really tired of your throwing something I supposedly said about Pizzagate at me without ever quoting it. I don't remember what I said. Please provide evidence.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
I can probably track it down, although the last time you demanded evidence and I gave it it just got ignored.
But are you going to claim that you condemned Pizzagate as - at the least- implausible and in need of evidence ? Because you know full well you would have gone a lot further if it had been directed at Trump or anyone you support.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
All I remember is that there was some evidence for it and I wasn't in a position to say it was wrong.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Some evidence ? You mean an email that seemed to be oddly worded - but might be just the writer’s style ? You think that’s even worth considering as evidence that a pizza restaurant has a basement full of abused children ?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
As I said I don't remember anything about it. Nothing. And I have no desire to reopen the discussion. Just quote what you claim I said.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
Here’s one example:
quote: Message 99
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1466 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Thank you. Now I remember at least that the email did not read like any normal discussion of pizza. And that's all I said. I also remember there being a lot more information about coded language but it wasn't enough to build a case on so my position was Don't Know, No Clear Evidence one way or the other. The weirdness of the communications raises suspicions of something going on that is being hidden. You have no cause to denounce me in the vile terms you do for such a judgment.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: It certainly is not all you said
...there are reasons to think the code refers to sex acts with children
Goes rather further, does it not ?
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1046 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
I invite you to contribute to uncovering the truth then. You can start by identifying the book in question. The claim comes from Religion and Traditional Values in Public School Textbooks: An Empirical Study. by Paul C. Vitz. It's from 1985, and is basically the author looking at a bunch of public school textbooks and claiming they don't cover religion (especially Christian and Jewish religion) as much as he thinks they should; nor do they give adequate coverage to 'traditional family values'. On world history textbooks; he writes this on the subject of Protestantism:
quote: Unfortunately the pdf version I found seems to be missing the list of which books he's talking about here. I think 'American Book'; the one he claims does not mention the Reformation, is a book called People of the World from 1982; but that might be a separate book from the social studies seciton of the same artlce. Can't find anything else on this book, so hard to know what to say. Edited by caffeine, : No reason given.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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quote: And yet Chapter 2 is practically dedicated to the complaint that reports don’t reflect Christian belief.
chapter 2
Few reporters now accept this spiritual reality as a necessary backdrop to stories...
In philosophical terms, newspapers offer not only phenomena, but noumena; not only facts learned from study, but an infrastructure that gives meaning to the facts. When the Detroit Free Press offered its readers a typical newspaper report on urban crime, introductory facts and anecdotes were immediately followed bw list of "things that spur killings . . . stress, joblessness, poverty, guns, and subcultures of violence." Sin was not mentioned.
The current AIDS plague has provided an opportunity for widespread repentance. Paul told the Romans that when men do not give thanks to God, their thinking becomes futile, and then God lets them turn thought into action: Men abandon "natural relations with women," are "inflamed with lust for one another," and "commit indecent acts with other men." Finally, they receive "in themselves the due penalty for their perversion" (Romans 1:18- 4 32). Recent news accounts have speculated about a variety of potential causes of AIDS, but materialist reporters could not take seriously the belief that AIDS is a God-sent warning to homosexuals and to adulterous heterosexuals and to anyone who scorns Him.
In fact I would say that they are complaining not because the reporting is not objective but because it is. The authors effectively define objectivity as agreement with their religious beliefs. But true objectivity must deal with the fact that those beliefs are not objectively demonstrable and cannot treat them as fact.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17825 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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That is incredibly lacking in information. No titles, not even a clear description of the subject matter. And some pretty clear bias on the author’s part - for instance he complains that very little attention was paid to the life of Jesus (which is not historically that important and lacking in good sources, too)
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Percy Member Posts: 22480 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes: I'm really tired of your throwing something I supposedly said about Pizzagate at me without ever quoting it. I don't remember what I said. Please provide evidence. It's odd that other people can recall what you say much better than you can. Regarding Pizzagate (that John Podesta's hacked emails contained coded messages about a child sex ring run by Hillary Clinton out of the Comet Ping Pong pizzeria in Washington DC), you were all over the place about it in the Fake polls, fake news thread, but Paul is probably thinking of where you said something like this from Message 99:
Faith in Message 99 of the Fake polls, fake news thread writes: The only thing I know for sure about Pizzagate is that some very strange emails belonging to John Podesta were hacked and leaked, and what's strange about them is that there is no way to make sense of them. They seem to be about pizza or other food but nobody talks about food that way, so it appears they are some kind of code, and there are reasons to think the code refers to sex acts with children. If you follow the sub-thread forward from there you'll see that you were imbuing something as absurd as Pizzagate with some kind of credibility. It's like believing there's some basis in fact for Hawthorne's Young Goodman Brown. The Pizzagate conspiracy theory evidently originated at a white supremacist Twitter account, see Pizzagate Conspiracy Theory over at Wikipedia. AbE: Should have read forward before posting, I see Paul already tracked down the Faith quote. --Percy Edited by Percy, : Fix spelling; AbE.
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