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Faith
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Message 481 of 1181 (841078)
10-07-2018 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 480 by Straggler
10-07-2018 3:57 PM


Re: Predictable total misreading as usual
Possibilities are Hanukkah, Christmas, Purim and February 3rd, 25th and May 14th. Or anything before or after or in between.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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ringo
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Message 482 of 1181 (841079)
10-07-2018 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 481 by Faith
10-07-2018 4:00 PM


Re: Predictable total misreading as usual
Faith writes:

Possibilities are Hanukkah, Christmas, Purim and February 3rd, 25th and May 14th. Or anything before or after or in between.


That's like the old joke about the teacher who graded papers by throwing them down the stairs.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Straggler
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Message 483 of 1181 (841080)
10-07-2018 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 481 by Faith
10-07-2018 4:00 PM


Re: Predictable total misreading as usual
It wont happen. Try, if possible, to enjoy your life safe in the knowledge that this wont be something any of us need to concern ourselves preparing for or worrying about in any way. Free yourself.
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Tangle
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Message 484 of 1181 (841082)
10-07-2018 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 481 by Faith
10-07-2018 4:00 PM


Re: Predictable total misreading as usual
Faith writes:

Possibilities are Hanukkah, Christmas, Purim and February 3rd, 25th and May 14th. Or anything before or after or in between.

It won't be any of those, trust me, I have a 100% record on this stuff.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Faith
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Message 485 of 1181 (841084)
10-07-2018 11:26 PM
Reply to: Message 472 by PaulK
10-07-2018 2:28 PM


Re: Oh well
It is possible to trace a genealogy in many different ways. Some think one of them is Joseph's and the other goes through Mary's father, but there are also other interpretations. David had many sons and they could have been his descendant through many of them. If you traced your own you could pick hundreds of different paths that would all eventually get you back to Adam. Maybe one through Attila the Hun or a slave in Babylon, who knows.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 486 of 1181 (841085)
10-07-2018 11:48 PM
Reply to: Message 478 by Tangle
10-07-2018 3:11 PM


Re: Oh well
Faith writes:

All you've done is ridicule things that don't suit your modern prejudices, you have not shown that anything I've said is "demonstrably in error."

The whole world knows that the earth in old, very, very old and has done for over 100 years - just to point to one of your monstrous delusions.

Gosh, "the world" has KNOWN this for over a whole HUNDRED years. Wow. Funny you think this mere empty assertion is "demonstrable" truth, or that a hundred years means something.

Surprising it is, but the earth really isn't billions of years old and Adam and Eve were certainly real. Do you really think somebody just invented all those genealogies? That's a lot weirder than the claim that it's all real, and the genealogies count to about 6000 years from Adam and Eve. That's actual evidence, which is why they are given in the Bible. God knows we need evidence and He gives us a LOT of evidence in the Bible for the reality of its various claims. And there really was a Flood and there is even extrabiblical evidence for that one: strata and fossils. Misappropriated to other explanations but in-your-face evidence to anyone who can actually see. (I also think the Earth shows that it's been through a gigantic catastrophe in many ways: it looks like monumental wreckage to me, something originally perfect broken in a million ways, land broken apart and drifting in different directions, causing the eruption of destructive hot stuff from the core of the planet, and earthquakes that knock things down, and an ice age that is now melting away and causing violent hurricanes. Poor poor fallen humanity, that we think all this is normal, that we are accidents in an accidental world. The first chapters of Genesis are SO explanatory of our actual situation.)

I laughed when I learned the Earth is only 6000 years old. It's really pretty funny in the context of today's ridiculous ideas about its age.

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PaulK
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Message 487 of 1181 (841086)
10-08-2018 12:14 AM
Reply to: Message 485 by Faith
10-07-2018 11:26 PM


Re: Oh well
quote:

It is possible to trace a genealogy in many different ways.

Maybe. But what is actually written is quite clear.

quote:

Some think one of them is Joseph's and the other goes through Mary's father, but there are also other interpretations.

It would be extremely unusual to write Marys genealogy as if it were Josephs. In fact, so far as I know it is unheard of. As far as other interpretations go there is absolutely no feature of either genealogy that suggests that it is anything other than a simple patrilineal genealogy. (Other than the author of Matthew missing out names to get the counts he wants)

quote:

David had many sons and they could have been his descendant through many of them.

Not through a patrilineal genealogy - at least part of it would have to be traced through the female line. Which wouldnt count.


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Faith
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Message 488 of 1181 (841087)
10-08-2018 12:16 AM
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10-08-2018 12:14 AM


Re: Oh well
Well, a lot of it isn't patrilineal, or simply patrilineal anyway. We are often reminded of the presence of Tamar and Ruth and Rahab in Jesus' ancestry.

They are named in the chart of Matthew's genealogy on this Wikipedia page.

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PaulK
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Message 489 of 1181 (841089)
10-08-2018 12:35 AM
Reply to: Message 486 by Faith
10-07-2018 11:48 PM


Re: Oh well
quote:

Surprising it is, but the earth really isn't billions of years old and Adam and Eve were certainly real.

The evidence says otherwise.

quote:

Do you really think somebody just invented all those genealogies? That's a lot weirder than the claim that it's all real, and the genealogies count to about 6000 years from Adam and Eve.

Its not at all weird for humans to invent genealogies (do you really think that Julius Caesar was descended from the goddess Venus?)
It would be extremely weird for the massive amounts of evidence otherwise to be so incredibly misleading.
(If you think otherwise RAZDs threads are there - just post your refutation)

quote:

That's actual evidence, which is why they are given in the Bible. God knows we need evidence and He gives us a LOT of evidence in the Bible for the reality of its various claims.

No, that really isnt true.

quote:

And there really was a Flood and there is even extrabiblical evidence for that one: strata and fossils.

Which show no sign of a worldwide flood.

quote:

Misappropriated to other explanations but in-your-face evidence to anyone who can actually see.

Looking at the evidence to properly evaluate it is hardly misappropriating it and refusing to see the evidence is not actually seeing. In reality the order of the fossil record - and I have to say the observed order because otherwise youll decide I meant something else - is quite inexplicable under the assumption of a flood. As we have seen. But you ignore that.

But this post is fine evidence of your irrationality and prejudice.. Thanks for proving that I spoke the truth.


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Faith
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Message 490 of 1181 (841091)
10-08-2018 12:37 AM
Reply to: Message 489 by PaulK
10-08-2018 12:35 AM


Re: Oh well
Nobody could invent the particular genealogies in Genesis.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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PaulK
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Message 491 of 1181 (841092)
10-08-2018 12:39 AM
Reply to: Message 488 by Faith
10-08-2018 12:16 AM


Re: Oh well
quote:

Well, a lot of it isn't patrilineal, or simply patrilineal anyway. We are often reminded of the presence of Tamar and Ruth and Rahab in Jesus' ancestry.

Mentioning a few of the mothers doesnt change the fact that ancestry is traced down the male line. So no, it is simply patrilineal.


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PaulK
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Message 492 of 1181 (841093)
10-08-2018 12:40 AM
Reply to: Message 490 by Faith
10-08-2018 12:37 AM


Re: Oh well
quote:

Nobody could invent the particular genealogies in Genesis.

Making strange assertions is hardly worth it. Why cant they be invented ?


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Faith
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Message 493 of 1181 (841095)
10-08-2018 12:47 AM
Reply to: Message 489 by PaulK
10-08-2018 12:35 AM


Re: Oh well
The fossil order is just a handy rationalization. In reality there is no genetic way to get from one major life form to another, and those life forms such as trilobites that exist in a huge number of strata which supposedly represent millions of years each, in reality would have developed as normal variations over a few hundred years of microevolution. And genetic variation depletes genetic diversity over generations so evolution beyond the Kind can't happen anyway. Oh and any source of diversity such as mutation would just get gobbled up the same way and run out just the same way.

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PaulK
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Message 494 of 1181 (841096)
10-08-2018 12:57 AM
Reply to: Message 493 by Faith
10-08-2018 12:47 AM


Re: Oh well
quote:

The fossil order is just a handy rationalization.

It is a massive fact which cant be explained by the Flood.

quote:

In reality there is no genetic way to get from one major life form to another, and those life forms such as trilobites that exist in a huge number of strata which supposedly represent millions of years each, in reality would have developed as normal variations over a few hundred years of microevolution. And genetic variation depletes genetic diversity over generations so evolution beyond the Kind can't happen anyway.

Aside from the fact that this is just your nutty opinions it is completely irrelevant. The order of the fossil record is an observed fact. Evolution doesnt enter into that argument.


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Faith
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Message 495 of 1181 (841097)
10-08-2018 1:01 AM
Reply to: Message 494 by PaulK
10-08-2018 12:57 AM


Re: Oh well
The fossil order is of no use except as a rationalization for evolution and since evolution is genetically impossible the fossil order is just a useless odd fact.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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