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ringo
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Message 511 of 689 (841131)
10-08-2018 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 502 by Phat
10-08-2018 7:37 AM


Re: Past Perspective: 2012
Phat writes:

Faith will never change her mind as her belief includes inerrancy of scripture..


But as I pointed out in your quotes from 2012, there is no confirmation from outside the Bible. Even if the Bible was internally consistent - and it is not - there's still no reason to think that it's accurate without outside support. Any book can be called 'inerrant" if you don't compare it with the facts.

Phat writes:

..in a word for word way.


Clearly not. In other threads just recently, Faith has rejected the word-for-word reading in favour of the twisted logic of apologists.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 512 of 689 (841132)
10-08-2018 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 509 by Faith
10-08-2018 12:04 PM


Re: Oh well
Faith writes:

Yeah but in this case it's about millions of years of supposed history that didn't exist and is based on wild conjectures that can't ever come up to the level of proof of the other sciences behind the phenomena you mention.


There's nothing "supposed" about it. There's evidence. You lose that battle every time you bring it up.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ringo
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Message 513 of 689 (841133)
10-08-2018 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 510 by Faith
10-08-2018 12:05 PM


Re: Oh well
Faith writes:

they don't rival the Bible.


Have you read them? In what way do they not rival the Bible?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Phat
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Message 514 of 689 (841141)
10-08-2018 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 511 by ringo
10-08-2018 12:11 PM


Re: Past Perspective: 2012
a word for word reading and interpretation of what a character says is meaningless if you don't believe that the character is real nor feel further validation or challenge through a personal relationship. The character of John F.Kennedy may tell me to ask not what my country can do for me but what I can do for my country but if I have no memory of nor identification with JFK the words themselves ring hollow. In this case, the message itself means little more than empty words.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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ringo
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Message 515 of 689 (841146)
10-08-2018 1:26 PM
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10-08-2018 1:03 PM


Re: Past Perspective: 2012
Phat writes:

a word for word reading and interpretation of what a character says is meaningless if you don't believe that the character is real...


Nonsense. The reality of the character has nothing, nothing, nothing to do with what the words say.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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ramoss
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Message 516 of 689 (841154)
10-08-2018 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 509 by Faith
10-08-2018 12:04 PM


Re: Oh well
Just becasue you claim, and the bible claims it didn't exist doesn't mean you are right. In fact, from a testable and repeatable examination of the situation, we know that the YEC interpretation of the bible is wrong.
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ramoss
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Message 517 of 689 (841155)
10-08-2018 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 510 by Faith
10-08-2018 12:05 PM


Re: Oh well
Well, for one, the geneologies in the Lord of the Rings don't contrdict each other, like that ones in the bible do
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Percy
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Message 518 of 689 (841163)
10-08-2018 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 456 by Faith
10-07-2018 1:20 PM


Re: pizza
Faith writes:

It's really very wrong of you to impute motives to a person, oh author of the EvC Rules. I came to the conclusion that the email I saw was strange enough to suggest it wasn't really about pizza. I don't remember anything about "cheese pizza" at all. And the more you accuse me the less interested I am in pursuing the subject which I concluded years ago was "strange enough to suggest it wasn't really about pizza." Period.

In other words you can't provide an ounce of support for anything you said. Same old Faith.

If I manage to fix your auto-logout problem (I admit it seems doubtful at this point) it will be because you provided me evidence and information. If you show the rapture will happen it will be by providing evidence and information. If you demonstrate the truth of Pizzagate it will be by providing evidence and information. Figuring out what is true always works the same way, no matter what it's about.

So if you've got any supporting evidence or information about the truth of the rapture or of Pizzagate then let's hear it instead of posts full of empty words.

--Percy


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Faith
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Message 519 of 689 (841164)
10-08-2018 5:39 PM
Reply to: Message 518 by Percy
10-08-2018 5:16 PM


Re: pizza
I know you don't care, but I don't care either. I came to the conclusion some time ago that the email sounded strange and that's the end of it for me. I did not want to revisit the topic and still don't. No interest whatever. If I came to that conclusion then I'd no doubt come to it again if I took the trouble to retrace the information. PaulK has no right to talk about me as he does in any case and that was how this came up. End of topic for me.

The Rapture is going to happen eventually, the scripture has the information. End of THAT topic too.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 520 of 689 (841165)
10-08-2018 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 517 by ramoss
10-08-2018 2:57 PM


Re: Oh well
I was referring to the one in Genesis, from Seth to Noah. It is unusual in that it details the years when the next generation was fathered, contributing to the counting of the years to the Flood, and the names also are codes that refer to the message of salvation.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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ramoss
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Message 521 of 689 (841166)
10-08-2018 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 520 by Faith
10-08-2018 5:46 PM


Re: Oh well
As for the one from seth to noah.. there is a much more logical explaination. It was made up to make a good story. We don't have any evidence that is it more than that. There are no records, there is no evidence that is it more than just a story.
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Faith
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Message 522 of 689 (841167)
10-08-2018 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 521 by ramoss
10-08-2018 6:16 PM


Re: Oh well
Right. You just go on believing it's just a story while I know it's historical fact just as I know all the Bible is fact. Make all the slimy slurs you want against it. You're all just hurting yourselves.
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Percy
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Message 523 of 689 (841169)
10-08-2018 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 519 by Faith
10-08-2018 5:39 PM


Re: pizza
Faith writes:

I know you don't care, but I don't care either. I came to the conclusion some time ago that the email sounded strange and that's the end of it for me. I did not want to revisit the topic and still don't. No interest whatever. If I came to that conclusion then I'd no doubt come to it again if I took the trouble to retrace the information. PaulK has no right to talk about me as he does in any case and that was how this came up. End of topic for me.

The Rapture is going to happen eventually, the scripture has the information. End of THAT topic too.

Bald and false declarations while ignoring everything said will get you nowhere. If you have nothing of substance to say then could I suggest not posting?

You were wrong about the rapture. That's because you don't know how to recognize accurate information about reality nor how to connect it to meaningful conclusions. The result of your error was that you became even more firmly convinced that you are right, an approach that can only lead you to become even more wrong than you already are.

Say you have two choices of fellow students to be your math tutor. One admits he makes mistakes but consistently gets high grades on tests. The other claims to always be correct but consistently fails the tests. Which one would you choose to be your tutor?

If you make your choice in the same way you want us to decide whether to accept your claims about the rapture, then you'd choose the student who fails the tests.

--Percy


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Faith
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Message 524 of 689 (841170)
10-08-2018 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 523 by Percy
10-08-2018 6:29 PM


Re: pizza
You really have no idea what you are talking about. I don't care about pizzagate, only about PaulK's attack on me personally, which is the only reason I wanted a reminder of what I'd said. I was very very very clear that I was NOT interested in reviewing the subject otherwise. Now as usual YOU are making a big deal about it anyway and making it MY problem when it is not my problem.

As for the Rapture you know even less and like others here apparently have no interest in learning the truth. The Rapture is a biblical promise about the second coming of Jesus, that it will occur when he comes back, and it gives NO timing at all except for general clues to the general "season." It will happen for sure, but the timing is up for grabs. The only thing that failed was my personal guess at the timing. The Rapture is still a promise that will eventually be fulfilled. It may be that when it comes it will be a complete and total surprise to everyone and nobody's guess will be right. All this is quite plain in multiple posts already. The personal slurs against me are really unnecessary, sp it must just be that you all enjoy them too much to give them up.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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PaulK
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Message 525 of 689 (841192)
10-09-2018 1:16 AM
Reply to: Message 524 by Faith
10-08-2018 6:47 PM


Re: pizza
quote:

You really have no idea what you are talking about. I don't care about pizzagate, only about PaulK's attack on me personally, which is the only reason I wanted a reminder of what I'd said. I was very very very clear that I was NOT interested in reviewing the subject otherwise. Now as usual YOU are making a big deal about it anyway and making it MY problem when it is not my problem.

If you are happy to accept that my criticism was correct you can stop there. But if you arent then you obviously are interested in digging further. Either you do havel evidence that would justify the idea that sex with children was involved. or you dont. And if you dont I was right.


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