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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Phat said he and his friends heard many voices coming out of this one friend. Ever heard that? How do you explain that away? Yes, and that is what keeps alive my belief that I experienced something paranormal. There were no hidden microphones or tape recorders. My friends were not on drugs nor was I. They did not trick me...I can read a person whom I know and determine that. So like Faith says, where did the otherworldly sound of a chorus of voices...clearly heard by me...come from?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
But your thinking is backwards. You're making up a God to fit the dogma.
I maintain that there is a certain protocol... Phat writes:
When you're a member of a club, you're subject to club rules when you're at the club. The club doesn't necessarily dictate what you can do in your own back yard. If you must have a heaven, why can't it be your own back yard instead of a clubhouse? For the purpose of my question, what are the acceptable forms of behavior in Heaven? Can we do our own thing (freewill in heaven?) or...more likely...do we play by club rules...willingly?And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Personally, I wouldn't worry too much about
Wiki calls it Glossolalia. I had it once--its a random pattern of jibberish that becomes known by the user and repeated in response to what is taught in the religion. Supposedly only angels know it. I'm sure there is a biological linguistic explanation---I wouldn't worry about it too much. The demons, on the other hand...I wouldn't fear them if one is a believer, but realize that...like a common cold...they can make you uncomfortable...especially if the sin they feed is one you like. Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
If you must have heaven, why can't it be your own back yard instead of a clubhouse? Because you assume that God need not be in charge. The whole point of the club is to surrender to Him... Or are you arguing for eternal free will without the builder's interference?Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. —RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." —Mark Twain " ~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.~Stile
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
That corresponds to the "tongues" that I have heard. It's one of the things that leads me to conclude that it is not a real communication.
They had a definite pattern that would repeat itself over and over. Faith writes:
I have muscle tics that I don't call supernatural. I think mental tics are even more common. Since I was not doing it, was not controlling it, I have to call it "supernatural."And our geese will blot out the sun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Again, you're making up the God to fit the dogma. Because you assume that God need not be in charge. The whole point of the club is to surrender to Him...And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It may not be an actual communication, I don't really know for sure what it is, but it is definitely a pattern of sounds that people "speak" though they aren't controlling them except to start and stop them. In a charismatic church once, my pastor suggested that everyone face east and speak in their "tongue" and the whole room was full of these odd sounds because so many had that "gift" which isn't a gift but who knows what it is.
"Tic" indeed. You guys will go to any bizarre lengths to try to explain these things away. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
It's the principle of, "If you hear hoof-beats, think horses, not zebras." Simple explanations before exotic ones. The bizarre lengths here are the "supernatural" ones. "Tic" indeed. You guys will go to any bizarre lengths to try to explain these things away.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
This isn't something recognizable like "hoof beats" ringo, it's utterly inexplicable on any normal analogy.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Sure it is. It's human voices.
This isn't something recognizable like "hoof beats" ringo... Faith writes:
On the contrary, there are plausible psychological and physiological explanations. ... it's utterly inexplicable on any normal analogy.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9510 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes: I've thought for years that many cases of mental illness are probably the result of demon possession. I'm sure you have, you believe all sorts of rubbish.Doctors disagree with you. Phat said he and his friends heard many voices coming out of this one friend. Ever heard that? How do you explain that away? You think people can't make different voices? And you think a demon would? Why?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Another case of thinking backwards: Rain is caused by puddles. I've thought for years that many cases of mental illness are probably the result of demon possession. More likely, cases of "demon possession" are caused by mental illness.And our geese will blot out the sun.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
More likely, cases of "demon possession" are caused by mental illness That could also be true of course, but the extreme phenomena some have described here is beyond mental illness into something demonic. The first cause of demon possession is sin, that's what gives them "permission" to enter a person. There are demons of particular sins so they can keep driving a person more and more into those same sins and more extreme versions of them.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1471 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Doctors will only explain things as far as their theories go, and if they reject the idea of demons that isn't going to be a possibility in their minds.
You think people can't make different voices? And you think a demon would? Why? The voices being talked about here are not coming from the person's mouth but their body and there are lots of them, indicating the presence of more than one demon. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 439 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
Oh come on. Nothing that has been described here is even close to what mental illness can do. ... the extreme phenomena some have described here is beyond mental illness....And our geese will blot out the sun.
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