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Dr Adequate
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Message 226 of 268 (843457)
11-17-2018 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 207 by Faith
11-17-2018 4:05 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
As Mark Levin pointed out on his show yesterday such appointments aren't necessarily anything more than "horse trading" rather than concerted appointments anyway, but he could inadvertently have appointed a closet liberal, why not?

Though since he's been a been a member of the Federalist Society since 2009 that means he was under deep cover posing as a conservative for at least seven years in the hope that one day Trump would become president and appoint him to serve as a United States District Judge. The really dumb thing about this scheme is that he could have just honestly said he was a liberal and Obama could have appointed him to the exact same job years earlier. You great gibbering guffoon.


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Dr Adequate
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Message 227 of 268 (843458)
11-17-2018 11:42 PM
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11-17-2018 10:30 PM


I can't get a copy of Trump's autobiography without paying for it either. So much for "freedom of speech". WHAT IS HE HIDING?!?

... see how dumb that sounded?


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Message 228 of 268 (843459)
11-18-2018 12:04 AM
Reply to: Message 225 by AZPaul3
11-17-2018 11:25 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
If that is your answer to my criticism, I cry.

Do cry then.

Levin is known as a crank.

By the wacko Left.

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Message 229 of 268 (843460)
11-18-2018 12:05 AM
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11-17-2018 11:42 PM


Listen from about 5-ish to about 34...


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Faith
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Message 230 of 268 (843461)
11-18-2018 12:35 AM
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11-17-2018 11:32 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
Nevertheless the judgment is wacko. This is a stupid decision, there is no right to be a boor in the White House.
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Message 231 of 268 (843465)
11-18-2018 1:48 AM
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11-18-2018 12:35 AM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
there is no right to be a boor in the White House.

Trump sure thinks there is.


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PaulK
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Message 232 of 268 (843466)
11-18-2018 2:19 AM
Reply to: Message 224 by Faith
11-17-2018 10:30 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
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On Friday's Mark Levin Show, Federal Judge Timothy Kelly, has ruled, from the bench, a 14 day temporary restraining order that the White House give back Jim Acosta's hard press pass until due process can be afforded to him

Which is so normal it should be expected, given that the White House can’t - or won’t even identify who made the decision and seems uncertain on the reasons for it.

quote:

The Court did not discuss the validity of CNN's first amendment claims, however the court does not allow media in the courtroom and we the American people have no idea exactly what took place in that courtroom. The U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia would not release a public transcript of today’s ruling on Acosta’s press pass unless we paid for each page of the document, filled out an extensive application, and got the approval of the court’s office. Freedom of the press, except when it comes to the federal judiciary.

Other news agencies seem to have done rather better. And let us note that Levin does not say that this is special to this case.

quote:

Also, there is no requirement for the President to even hold a press conference or much less to call on certain reporter.

The court expressly mentioned that there was no requirement to call on Acosta - and I very much doubt that it suggested that there was a Constitutional requirement to call Press Conferences. Not that Levin would know.

quote:

What we're witnessing here is judicial tyranny and all they care about is themselves.

In other words the judge is “tyrannically” denying the Executive’s rights to trample the Constitution. It’s pretty easy to see who wants tyranny.

quote:

Later, Robert Mueller has submitted written questions to President Trump and he has easily answered them reiterating that there was no collusion and there should never have been an investigation or witch hunt as he calls it.

Aside from being outraged that Trump should be under investigation is there a point there ?

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Then, election recounts in Georgia and Florida seem to be unchanged despite the effort of the Democrats to change the results

Recounts are normal in close contests, not an “effort to change results”. Republicans call for them too.

quote:

Meddling by the press, posting election projections before all precincts are counted is irresponsible; the press has a responsibility to report news for the people not for their own evil maniacal interests.

If anyone doubted that Levin was unhinged this pretty much proves it.


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Message 233 of 268 (843486)
11-18-2018 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 203 by Faith
11-17-2018 3:54 PM


Re: Violence breaks out as first wave of migrant caravan arrives in Tijuana, Mexico
There are videos that show them on both sides of the fence. Turns out scaling that high fence is no problem for these guys. I wonder how many American young men could do that.

But they couldn't scale Trump's Wall, right?

How do you know they hate America? How do you know they are willing to crash our border?


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Message 234 of 268 (843487)
11-18-2018 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 206 by Faith
11-17-2018 4:03 PM


Re: Diamond and Silk censored by Facebook
They had no reason to lie about it...

Nothing other than lots of free publicity and stoking hate for liberals.

...so who knows what those numbers represent?

They represent traffic at their Facebook page.

Somebody said there can be traffic but invisible to the public too

The good ol' "somebody said".

"Somebody" was wrong.

I used to get hundreds of viewers of my blogs and then it suddenly dropped to tens. They changed something on my dashboard about the same time which made it impossible for low-tech me to figure out how to access Comments or anything else. It was a mess. I knew which subjects would end up at the top of a Google search page too, and at that same time my blog wouldn't show up there any more, maybe at the bottom, maybe not even on the first page. I don't know why they'd bother to censor my little blog but it seems something like that must have happened.

And therefore censorship. Right.

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Message 235 of 268 (843488)
11-18-2018 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 207 by Faith
11-17-2018 4:05 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
As Mark Levin pointed out on his show yesterday such appointments aren't necessarily anything more than "horse trading" rather than concerted appointments anyway, but he could inadvertently have appointed a closet liberal, why not?

Yeah, they sure are doing a lousy job of vetting these people.
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Message 236 of 268 (843489)
11-18-2018 9:51 AM
Reply to: Message 210 by Faith
11-17-2018 4:14 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
I didn't know about the ruling until I got here and you guys who posted on it should have given that information.

Yeah, there's no possibility of you finding out what you are talking about before posting.

Actually there is no ruling to be found, just news reports on what it supposedly says.

I swear I saw the ruling on some site, but I can't find it now.

https://www.nytimes.com/...iness/media/cnn-acosta-trump.html:

quote:
The administration’s process for barring the correspondent “is still so shrouded in mystery that the government could not tell me” who made the decision, Judge Kelly said from the bench. Taking away the pass that gave Mr. Acosta access to the White House amounted to a violation of his right to a fair and transparent process, the judge ruled.

...

"I want to emphasize the very limited nature of this ruling,” he said, saying that it was not meant to enshrine journalists’ right to access. “I have not determined that the First Amendment was violated here.”"


Note that the judge did not b rule that he had a right to enter the White House. He did rule that Acosta had a right to due process.

Other sites with similar coverage:
https://www.cnn.com/.../cnn-trump-lawsuit-hearing/index.html
https://www.apnews.com/5ffb3a155f454a0893dc2d9db18c81d9
https://www.cbsnews.com/...im-acosta-can-keep-his-press-pass


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Message 237 of 268 (843490)
11-18-2018 9:58 AM
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11-17-2018 10:30 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
quote:
On Friday's Mark Levin Show, Federal Judge Timothy Kelly, has ruled, from the bench, a 14 day temporary restraining order that the White House give back Jim Acosta's hard press pass until due process can be afforded to him. The Court did not discuss the validity of CNN's first amendment claims, however the court does not allow media in the courtroom and we the American people have no idea exactly what took place in that courtroom. The U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia would not release a public transcript of today’s ruling on Acosta’s press pass unless we paid for each page of the document, filled out an extensive application, and got the approval of the court’s office. Freedom of the press, except when it comes to the federal judiciary. Also, there is no requirement for the President to even hold a press conference or much less to call on certain reporter. We don't need a jerk in a black robe to tell us that this isn't constitutional, we know that because this is a clear violation of the separation of powers. What we're witnessing here is judicial tyranny and all they care about is themselves. Later, Robert Mueller has submitted written questions to President Trump and he has easily answered them reiterating that there was no collusion and there should never have been an investigation or witch hunt as he calls it. Then, election recounts in Georgia and Florida seem to be unchanged despite the effort of the Democrats to change the results. Meddling by the press, posting election projections before all precincts are counted is irresponsible; the press has a responsibility to report news for the people not for their own evil maniacal interests.

You call that a legal analysis? One vague reference to one legal principle?

Followed by unhinged rants about how easily Trump answered Mueller's questions. (for which we only have Trump's worthless word, and do you really believe Trump answered them?) and more election bullshit.

Yeah, some analysis..

ABE: I just realized that the one mention of a legal principle is not about the legal issues or the reasons for his decision. It's about his disapproval of the judge applying the law as he (the judge) sees it.

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Faith
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Message 238 of 268 (843513)
11-18-2018 6:19 PM
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11-18-2018 9:58 AM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
You call that a legal analysis? One vague reference to one legal principle?

Nobody called it a legal analysis that I know of, it's just a sketch of what is on the You Tube radio show I posted of Mark Levin. He specifically says at the beginning of his discussion of the judge's ruling -- about five or six I think -- that he and his wife and producer looked "in the usual places" for a transcript of the court proceeding and couldn't find it, so he was unable to analyze the ruling.

And yes he does complain a lot about the judge, that's his specialty you could say. He wrote a book about the out of control judiciary in this country ["Men in Black"], and on the program he quotes a Daniel Horowitz who has also written on the subject.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 239 of 268 (843521)
11-18-2018 10:50 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by Faith
11-18-2018 12:35 AM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
Nevertheless the judgment is wacko. This is a stupid decision, there is no right to be a boor in the White House.

First please remember that this is not actually a judgment. It's a temporary restraining order until the case can actually be held. The judge thinks it more equitable that Acosta should keep his pass until then, and it is hard to argue with that if it is at all likely that Acosta will win.

And it is quite likely. James Madison, who wrote the due process clause of the Fifth Amendment, was quite clear that it should be interpreted very broadly. He gives as examples:

But it cannot be a true inference, that, because the admission of an alien is a favor, the favor may be revoked at pleasure. A grant of land to an individual may be of favor, not of right; but the moment the grant is made, the favor becomes a right, and must be forfeited before it can be taken away. To pardon a malefactor may be a favor, but the pardon is not, on that account, the less irrevocable.

That is, "due process" does not apply just to criminal proceedings but to any circumstances in which the government might act to someone's personal and particular detriment, even if it involves merely revoking a favor it has granted. And the notion of due process has in fact been interpreted very broadly, as Madison wished. (See Perry v. Sindermann for example.) Now this seems to fit the case here. The government granted Acosta a favor; can they arbitrarily take it away, pointing to nothing as their reason but faked video footage? He certainly has a case, it's not a frivolous question.


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Message 240 of 268 (843523)
11-19-2018 12:14 AM
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11-18-2018 6:19 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
quote:

Nobody called it a legal analysis that I know of, it's just a sketch of what is on the You Tube radio show I posted of Mark Levin. He specifically says at the beginning of his discussion of the judge's ruling -- about five or six I think -- that he and his wife and producer looked "in the usual places" for a transcript of the court proceeding and couldn't find it, so he was unable to analyze the ruling.

Funny that nothing of the sort is in your quote. So far as I know it’s normal for that court. Also it’s sort of odd that he knows less than all the other people who’ve covered it in the press.

quote:

And yes he does complain a lot about the judge, that's his specialty you could say. He wrote a book about the out of control judiciary in this country ["Men in Black"], and on the program he quotes a Daniel Horowitz who has also written on the subject.

What a surprise to find him making baseless attacks on a conservative judge following the law then! Or not. There has to be some reason you like him.


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