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Percy
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Message 241 of 268 (843550)
11-19-2018 9:50 AM


The Gullibility of the Right's Echo Chamber
Christopher Blair runs a political satire Facebook page where he plumbs the depths of what the right will believe. Shirley Chapian believes every word Christopher Blair writes. Enjoy: ‘Nothing on this page is real’: How lies become truth in online America

--Percy


    
JonF
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Message 242 of 268 (843551)
11-19-2018 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 238 by Faith
11-18-2018 6:19 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
You were asked for an analysis. That's an unhinged rant, not any kind of analysis.

The transcript is available. Not free except for interested parties. I don't know where.

Edited by JonF, : No reason given.


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caffeine
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Message 243 of 268 (843567)
11-19-2018 1:08 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by Faith
11-17-2018 4:24 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
The law matters a great deal to me and this judgment is political twisting of the law. That is wacko that due process is required beyond the clear fact that the man was rude. This is a privilege, not a right, he was out of order.

The original judicial decision that established due process was necessary for revoking a White House press pass was posted by Percy upthread. The journalist in that case, incidentally, was denied his press pass by the Johnson and Carter White Houses. Not everything is a matter of liberal vs conservative.

The White House takes away a press pass; judge notes that according to precedent there are more steps needed to take away a White House press pass. I don't see what's either wacko or liberal about that.

Can't help but feel the whole thing is being made into a bit of an unnecessary mountain. This is hardly a great attack on press freedoms. Trump rarely gives press conferences anyway; and as Robert Sherrill (the journalist whose case set the original precedent) noted when explaining why he never applied for a White House press pass after winning his case:

quote:
I had been in Washington long enough to realize that was the last place to waste your time sitting around for some dumb fuck to give a press conference.

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Faith
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Message 244 of 268 (843610)
11-19-2018 3:52 PM


Avenatti said "She hit me first."
It's possible he was set up I suppose, but it would have been a rather complicated feat to pull off since the woman had facial injuries to show for her side of the story, and there is also this rather telling bit of fact that seems to have been dropped from recent reports, that when Avenatti was first arrested he said "she hit me first," which sounds like a smoking gun to me. So if this was a set-up the woman had to have intentionally provoked him by hitting him and then been willing to suffer some bruises for it. Even in that case the fact that he hit her "back" doesn't speak well for him.

As I said, this little fact about his saying she hit him first was reported at the beginning and then has become rather hard to find.

But here's one report I found by specifically searching on "She hit me first"

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Faith
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Message 245 of 268 (843611)
11-19-2018 4:02 PM
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11-19-2018 1:08 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
According to a news report I heard early this morning, the White House has issued a written protocol for behavior in WH press conferences in response to the court decision, beginning with the statement that they would have assumed there should be no need to spell out such commonly understood rules of civility.

ABE: CAFFEINE: You mention a post of Percy's that refers to a prececent but I can't find it in the voluminous stuff he's written. Please post the exact reference. Thanks.

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PaulK
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Message 246 of 268 (843613)
11-19-2018 4:07 PM
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11-19-2018 3:52 PM


Re: Avenatti said "She hit me first."
The report about “she hit me first” came from a gossip site (TMZ) and also claimed that the woman was Avenatti’s wife. Avenatti’s wife denies it. It all comes down to the reliability of TMZ’s “law enforcement sources” and whether they were reporting something they had actually seen or just gossip - and I think that the odds must be on the latter.
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Faith
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Message 247 of 268 (843615)
11-19-2018 4:10 PM
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11-19-2018 4:07 PM


Re: Avenatti said "She hit me first."
That's because it was an early report when they thought it was Avenatti's wife, but you can find other reports of his saying "she hit me first." I just posted the first one that came up. I heard it many times on the news when the story first came out.
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PaulK
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Message 248 of 268 (843616)
11-19-2018 4:15 PM
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11-19-2018 4:10 PM


Re: Avenatti said "She hit me first."
The other reports all seem to be repeating what TMZ said. So it comes down to the reliability of TMZ and it’s sources. Which doesn’t seem that great to me. Maybe it is true, maybe it isn’t. There’s no way to be sure.
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Faith
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Message 249 of 268 (843617)
11-19-2018 4:15 PM
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11-19-2018 1:08 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
CAFFEINE: You mention a post of Percy's that refers to a prececent but I can't find it in the voluminous stuff he's written. Please post the exact reference. Thanks.

You are certainly right, this is hardly an attack on press freedoms.


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Faith
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Message 250 of 268 (843618)
11-19-2018 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 248 by PaulK
11-19-2018 4:15 PM


Re: Avenatti said "She hit me first."
Why are you assuming TMZ was the original source?
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Faith
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Message 251 of 268 (843619)
11-19-2018 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 242 by JonF
11-19-2018 10:24 AM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
You were asked for an analysis. That's an unhinged rant, not any kind of analysis.

What are you talking about? The quoted paragraph was somebody's condensation of the content of the radio show, not a "rant" for pete's sake.

The transcript is available. Not free except for interested parties. I don't know where.

There is no reason to doubt that it is very hard to come by according to Levin who said he and his wife and his producer were all unable to find it "in the usual places." And the same difficulty was reported on another talk show I heard this morning.

The problem may be, as Levin explains in that radio show, that this was a "ruling from the bench" rather than a written ruling. So the transcript is a court reporter's account of the proceedings and not a written ruling. This may explain the difficulty getting a transcript.

If caffeine is right that the judge was following a precedent that may solve the whole problem, since that is information that Levin was not able to find before doing his show.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 252 of 268 (843629)
11-19-2018 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 248 by PaulK
11-19-2018 4:15 PM


Re: Avenatti said "She hit me first."
Here's a report that says TMZ was the original source but that their information was corroborated by the police:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Avenatti+%22She+hit+...


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PaulK
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Message 253 of 268 (843630)
11-19-2018 4:37 PM
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11-19-2018 4:15 PM


Re: Avenatti said "She hit me first."
I am not *assuming* that TMZ was the original source. TMZ claims to have gotten the information direct from their sources, other reports credit TMZ - or nobody. My position is based on those facts.
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PaulK
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Message 254 of 268 (843633)
11-19-2018 4:46 PM
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11-19-2018 4:37 PM


Re: Avenatti said "She hit me first."
“Today News” seems to be a YouTube channel. Given the lack of official information from LAPD I have my doubts about their confirmation.
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JonF
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Message 255 of 268 (843640)
11-19-2018 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 254 by PaulK
11-19-2018 4:46 PM


Re: Avenatti said "She hit me first."
Yeah, not sure about this, but...

EXCLUSIVE: 'It was just a joke!’ Trump activist says his firm's tweet claiming credit for Michael Avenatti's arrest was no ‘set up’ but a joke the lawyer decided to glom onto


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