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Dr Adequate
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Message 76 of 166 (842146)
10-27-2018 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Faith
10-26-2018 2:44 PM


Re: Neither Flood Geology nor Geocentrism is in the Bible
But I don't claim the Bible says anything about the Grand Canyon or geology at all ...

Right, that's my point. There's nothing in the Bible about it at all, yet you manage to describe your views as "Biblical" rather than, say "Morrisian".


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Capt Stormfield
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Message 77 of 166 (842149)
10-27-2018 11:51 AM
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10-27-2018 2:07 AM


Re: Word of God is both Christ and Scripture
...it is about trying to control God...

And why not. Creators of fiction have every right to control the story of their characters.


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Capt Stormfield
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Message 78 of 166 (842150)
10-27-2018 12:01 PM
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10-27-2018 3:45 AM


One of the hilariously ignorant things about fundies that pretend the Bible isn't geocentric is the studiously blind eye they turn to the reality that we know what the people who lived in that place and time thought about the subject. There seems to be a misperception (or a cultured ignorance) that the books of the Old Testament are the only writings extant from the era. They are not. They thought the earth was flat, and under a dome. Precisely as described in the Bible.
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Faith
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Message 79 of 166 (842168)
10-27-2018 3:06 PM
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10-27-2018 12:01 PM


My what assertive blather. You wouldn't happen to have a bit of evidence for any of it would you?
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Faith
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Message 80 of 166 (842169)
10-27-2018 3:07 PM
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10-27-2018 11:12 AM


Re: Neither Flood Geology nor Geocentrism is in the Bible
Unless you show specifically where I've described Flood geology as "biblical" I figure you're blowing hot air.
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Faith
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Message 81 of 166 (842170)
10-27-2018 3:08 PM
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10-27-2018 11:11 AM


Unless you produce evidence that I said such a thing you are just blowing hot air.
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Faith
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Message 82 of 166 (842171)
10-27-2018 3:09 PM
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10-27-2018 2:32 AM


Re: Discussing Bible contradictions to examine Bible Inerrancy
I don't say the KJV is inerrant, it's a translation, translations aren't inerrant. I thought you wanted to know what translation I use.
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Faith
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Message 83 of 166 (842172)
10-27-2018 3:11 PM
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10-27-2018 3:45 AM


None of that reflects anything scientific at all, not geocentrism or any other scientific ism.
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Faith
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Message 84 of 166 (842173)
10-27-2018 3:14 PM
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10-27-2018 2:07 AM


Re: Word of God is both Christ and Scripture
I'm suggesting that Christians such as Faith seem to believe that if people believe the right doctrine that they get eternal life.

Your usual ridiculous straw man. We are to PUT OUR TRUST IN JESUS CHRIST'S DEATH ON THE CROSS TO PAY FOR OUR SINS. That is how we are saved. That is not some dead doctrine, that's the work of the living Christ I'm talking about.l


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PaulK
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Message 85 of 166 (842174)
10-27-2018 3:20 PM
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10-27-2018 3:11 PM


quote:

None of that reflects anything scientific at all, not geocentrism or any other scientific ism.

Well, thatís a creative attempt at semantic legerdemain. Of course since the Bible is thoroughly pre-scientific there is no science in there.

Unfortunately for you I know that geocentrism is NOT a term restricted to science. It is a term that can quite rightly be applied to ancient cosmologies. And Genesis 1 reflects the geocentric cosmologies of the Ancient Near East, as Captain Stormfield correctly pointed out. Those cosmologies were based on the limited knowledge of the time and were, as a consequence in error.

Thus Genesis 1 is geocentric and in error.


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Faith
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Message 86 of 166 (842175)
10-27-2018 3:23 PM
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10-27-2018 3:20 PM


Then, as I asked the stormy one, prove it. I have no reason not to take it as simply descriptive of the order of Creation in ancient terminology.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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PaulK
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Message 87 of 166 (842186)
10-27-2018 4:02 PM
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10-27-2018 3:23 PM


quote:

I have no reason not to take it as simply descriptive of the order of Creation in ancient terminology.

The order - what little is in the cited verses - was not the point or I would have quoted far more to make the order plain. The point is what was created and where - and how it shows that the cosmology of Genesis 1 is geocentric (geocentricity was the whole point - have you forgotten that ?)

As for evidence, you can start with this article from the website of a. Christian institution: Teaches or assumes


Itís well-documented that biblical cosmology is essentially ancient Near East (ANE) cosmology. There are a few elements here and there that donít line up precisely with the rest of the ancient world, but then again, the entirety of the ancient world didnít hold to a monolithic cosmological viewpoint

The more complex but similar Babylonian system is described - and depicted - here


Perhaps the earliest of the combination of mythical and theological ideas is found in the Mesopotamian civilizations (divided into the Old Babylonian, Assyrian, New Babylonian and Late Babylonian periods). The Babylonian myths centered on plurality of the heavens and earth with a six-level universe consisting of three heavens and three earths: two heavens above the sky, the heaven of the stars, the earth, the underground of the Apsu, and the underworld of the dead. The Earth was created by the god Marduk as a raft floating on fresh water (Apsu) surrounded by a vastly larger body of salt water (Tiamat).

Note that here, as in Genesis, we have a flat watery realm with domed heavens above it (see the blue diagram towards the end of the section on Egyptian/Mesopotamia Cosmology)

Edited by AdminPhat, : fixed quote


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GDR
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Message 88 of 166 (842192)
10-27-2018 4:20 PM
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10-27-2018 3:14 PM


Re: Word of God is both Christ and Scripture
Faith writes:

Your usual ridiculous straw man. We are to PUT OUR TRUST IN JESUS CHRIST'S DEATH ON THE CROSS TO PAY FOR OUR SINS. That is how we are saved.

..and that is the doctrine that you believe. That's exactly my point.

He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

Micah 6:8


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 89 of 166 (842209)
10-27-2018 7:18 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Faith
10-27-2018 3:23 PM


Martin Luther told us humans not to compromise scripture with (heliocentric) science.
quote:

Then, as I asked the stormy one, prove it. I have no reason not to take it as simply descriptive of the order of Creation in ancient terminology.

R.C. Sproul said that the scientists were right and the leading lights of Protestantism were wrong.

Scripture was misunderstood to contradict science.

Heliocentrism was correct.

So, what is wrong with biological evolution? (The theory of Evolution is way more consistent with scripture than heliocentrism is)


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Faith
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Message 90 of 166 (842210)
10-27-2018 8:11 PM
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10-27-2018 7:18 PM


Re: Martin Luther told us humans not to compromise scripture with (heliocentric) science.
Please quote.

Evolution requires death, scripture says death didn't enter until the Fall.


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