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Author Topic:   A Way to Think About Free Will and God: Open Theism
herebedragons
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Message 150 of 378 (845769)
12-20-2018 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 149 by Faith
12-20-2018 12:23 PM


Re: Religious persecutions of heretics -- get it straight Tangle
Now I know for sure you share the heresy of Robert Schuller, this idea that people can be Christians who never heard of Christ or even reject Him though they've heard of Him.
Then how do you explain the parable of the sheep and goats where people were separated based on what they did not what they believed, even though many of the sheep had no idea who they had done those works for? And what about Lazarus who was welcomed into heaven because he suffered during life whereas the rich man was tormented because he had it easy during life.
However, "there is no other NAME under heaven by which we must be saved" than Jesus Christ, so nobody can be a Christian without knowing His name and believing in Him.
I tend to believe this is true. Jesus said "I am the way...", "No one comes to the Father but through me.", "That he is the gate and the true sheep enter through the gate...", etc. But I also believe that God is just and fair and it seems to me to be unjust that billions and billions of people are condemned simply because of where or when they were born. So I don't know how it works, but I feel there must be a mechanism for those people to acknowledge or accept Jesus when they stand before him. But again, I don't know... I'm not the judge. To me, heaven and hell are mostly about rectifying injustice, putting things right that have been corrupted and destroying those things cause suffering.
I just have hard time believing heaven is such an extremely exclusive place. I mean, of all the confessing Christians that post regularly here on EvC, you are the only one going to heaven because we all believe something a little off of what you say makes a true Christian (none of which involves the name of Jesus). For example, I don't qualify because I think the earth is old and I disagree with a TRUE Christian about several issues; GDR doesn't qualify because he thinks helping refugees is a charitable thing to do thus putting his neighbor at risk; Phat doesn't qualify because he questions his faith; etc.
So obviously there are way more criteria to getting into heaven than just the name of Jesus.
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for... I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca
"Nothing is easier than to persuade people who want to be persuaded and already believe." - another Petrarca gem.
Ignorance is a most formidable opponent rivaled only by arrogance; but when the two join forces, one is all but invincible.

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