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Faith
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Message 256 of 362 (846587)
01-09-2019 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 255 by JonF
01-09-2019 11:02 AM


You need to present your case in your own words and you have not done that.
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Faith
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Message 257 of 362 (846588)
01-09-2019 11:07 AM
Reply to: Message 254 by JonF
01-09-2019 10:59 AM


THERE IS NO RIGHT WING VIOLENCE TODAY IN CONNECTION WITH THE CURRENT POLITICAL SCENE WHICH IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. BUT ATTACKS ON TRUMP SUPPORTERS BY THE LEFT HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS SINCE THE ELECTION.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Faith
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Message 258 of 362 (846589)
01-09-2019 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 253 by JonF
01-09-2019 10:55 AM


Stick to the context of today's political environment and I'm sure you'll find your work comes to just about nothing.
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JonF
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Message 259 of 362 (846591)
01-09-2019 11:14 AM
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01-09-2019 11:06 AM


You need to present your case in your own words and you have not done that. I've presented allt at you can reasonably expect.

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PaulK
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Message 260 of 362 (846592)
01-09-2019 11:15 AM
Reply to: Message 244 by Faith
01-09-2019 9:40 AM


Re: No one?
quote:

I'm not defending white supremacists and Nazis...

Well that’s funny because you are paying a lot of attention to violence from Antifa and denying the violence from white supremacists and Nazis.

quote:

...I don't count them as right wing, they are crazy people, and I do not ascribe Charlottesville to the right wing

But you are happy to count Antifa as Left ? Despite the fact that Trump was prepared to say that there were “fine people” among the Unite the Right marchers, and Trump’s own links to the alt-right ?

quote:

I'm talking about ordinary Trump supporters and we/they are not violent.

I’d be willing to bet that they are at least as violent as ordinary Clinton supporters.

quote:

But many of our opponents are, and where they are not physically violent they are verbally violent, their propaganda gets an airing in all the media that assault the public consciousness daily and even hourley, suppressing the views of their opponents. That is anti-American totalitarian tactics right there, and the violence is all of a piece with it.

By which you mean that you want a totalitarian state so you can silence the critics.

quote:

If you haven't followed the violence of Antifa you are obviously just lost in the usual Leftist blackout of the truth and swallowing all the propaganda they dish out.

There is no blackout. But we are still waiting for you to provide evidence that Antifa are targeting “ordinary Trump voters” rather than Nazis and white supremacists and those who choose to side with them


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JonF
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Message 261 of 362 (846593)
01-09-2019 11:23 AM
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01-09-2019 11:07 AM


Charlottesville.
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JonF
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Message 262 of 362 (846594)
01-09-2019 11:24 AM


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The Pittsburgh synagogue shooting was a mass shooting that occurred at Tree of Life – Or L'Simcha Congregation[a] in the Squirrel Hill neighborhood of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, on October 27, 2018, while Shabbat morning services were being held. Eleven people were killed and seven were injured. It was the deadliest attack on the Jewish community in the United States.[4][5]

The sole suspect, 46-year-old Robert Gregory Bowers,[6][7] was arrested and charged with 29 federal crimes and 36 state crimes.[6][8] He pleaded not guilty to all 44 crimes laid against him in federal court.[9] Using the online social network Gab,[10] he had earlier posted anti-Semitic comments against the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society (HIAS)[11][12] in which Dor Hadash[13] and Tree of Life[14] was a supporting participant. Referring to Central American migrant caravans and immigrants, he posted on Gab shortly before the attack that "HIAS likes to bring invaders in that kill our people. I can't sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I'm going in."[15]

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treated him.[51] Those killed were:

Joyce Fienberg, 75
Richard Gottfried, 65
Rose Mallinger, 97
Jerry Rabinowitz, 66
Cecil Rosenthal, 59
David Rosenthal, 54
Bernice Simon, 84
Sylvan Simon, 86
Daniel Stein, 71
Melvin Wax, 88
Irving Younger, 69
Of the four injured officers, three were shot and one was injured by glass fragments.[33]

Suspect
Robert Gregory Bowers (born September 4, 1972),[6][7][52] a 46-year-old resident of Baldwin, Pennsylvania, was arrested as the suspected shooter.[53][54][55][56] Bowers' parents divorced when he was about one year old.[57] His father reportedly committed suicide at the age of 27,[58] when Bowers was about 6 years old.[58][57][59] Bowers' mother remarried to a Florida man when Bowers was a toddler, and he lived with them in Florida until they separated a year after their marriage.[57] Upon returning to Pennsylvania, Robert and his mother lived with his mother's parents in Whitehall. His grandparents took responsibility for raising him, as his mother suffered from health problems.[57] Bowers attended Baldwin High School in the Baldwin-Whitehall School District from August 1986 to November 1989. He then dropped out of high school and worked as a trucker.[60][61] Neighbors described Bowers as "a ghost" and said he rarely interacted with others.[53]

According to accounts of Bowers' coworkers of 20 years ago, and analysis of recent social media posts, what started out as staunch conservatism transitioned into white nationalism; at one point Bowers was fascinated by radio host Jim Quinn but at a later point he became a follower of "aggressive online provocateurs of the right wing’s fringe."[62] He was heavily involved in websites such as Gab and had promoted anti-Semitic conspiracy theories online through social media.[63]

Gab has been described as "extremist friendly"[64] for neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and the alt-right.[64] Bowers' Gab profile was registered in January 2018 under the handle "onedingo", and the account's description was: "Jews are the children of Satan (John 8:44). The Lord Jesus Christ [has] come in the flesh." reflecting Christian Identity beliefs[citation needed]. The cover picture was a photo with the number 1488, which is used by neo-Nazis and white supremacists to evoke David Lane's "Fourteen Words" and the Nazi slogan Heil Hitler. He had published posts supporting the white genocide theory. Bowers also stated supporters of the QAnon conspiracy theory were "deluded" and being tricked.[65][66][67] He also re-posted content by other anti-Semitic, neo-Nazi, white nationalist/supremacist and Holocaust-denying users such as Patrick Little and /pol/, as well as reposting comments in support of the Southern California-based alt-right fight club Rise Above Movement (aka RAM) who were present at Charlottesville and were later convicted and arrested by the FBI in October for violence against counterprotestors[68][69][70][71] and he criticized President Donald Trump for being a "globalist, not a nationalist"[72] and for supposedly being controlled and surrounded by Jews.[73] In another post, he wrote, “There is no #MAGA as long as there is a kike infestation.”[56] Other posts attacked African Americans with racial slurs and images related to lynching, and attacked women who have relationships with black men.[74] He also used his online accounts to post conspiracy theories regarding investor and philanthropist George Soros.[75] Bowers also had links to the far-right and neo-Nazis in the United Kingdom according to security sources.[76]

A month before the attack, Bowers posted photos showing the results of his target practice, and a photo of his three handguns, calling them his "glock family".[69] In the post, he identified the .357 SIG handguns as Glock 31, Glock 32, and Glock 33.[68]

Bowers also worked with alt-right associated blogger and League of the South (another organization present at the Charlottesville riots) member Brad Griffin (aka Hunter Wallace) of Occidental Dissent on doxxing an unidentified left-wing blogger posting "that address is not the most current for him. I can get you the most recent outside of gab".[77]

In the weeks before the shooting, Bowers made anti-Semitic posts directed at the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society (HIAS)[11][12] who sponsored National Refugee Shabbat[78] of October 19–20, in which Dor Hadash[13] and Tree of Life[14] participated. He claimed Jews were aiding members of Central American caravans moving towards the United States border and referred to members of those caravans as "invaders".[10] Shortly before the attack, in an apparent reference to immigrants to the United States, he posted on Gab that "HIAS likes to bring invaders in that kill our people. I can't sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I'm going in."[15][79][56] According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, "the mention of 'optics' references a disagreement that has raged within the white nationalist movement since the Unite the Right rally in 2017 about how best to get their message across to the general public".[80]

After the shooting, Gab suspended Bowers' profile and pledged to cooperate with the criminal investigation.[65][71] Shortly after the attack, PayPal, Stripe, Joyent, and Medium pulled support for Gab, and GoDaddy, which the Gab domains were registered under, required Gab to relocate their domain name hosting to a different service in the wake of the shooting, effectively shutting Gab down in the short term.[81]



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JonF
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Message 263 of 362 (846595)
01-09-2019 11:28 AM


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On January 10, 2018, 19-year-old University of Pennsylvania sophomore Blaze Bernstein was found dead in a park in Orange County, California, eight days after having been reported missing. He was visiting his family in Lake Forest, California, when he was killed.[1] He had been stabbed twenty times. Two days later, Samuel Woodward, one of Bernstein's former high school classmates, and a member of neo-Nazi terrorist group Atomwaffen Division was arrested and charged with murdering Bernstein.[2] As Bernstein was both openly gay and Jewish, authorities declared that Bernstein was a victim of a hate crime.[3]

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Percy
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Message 264 of 362 (846597)
01-09-2019 11:55 AM
Reply to: Message 251 by Faith
01-09-2019 10:35 AM


Faith writes:

Percy writes:

Faith writes:

AZPaul3 writes:

Faith writes:

There is no such violence by the right wing and if you've offered any evidence it's behind a link and I'm not going there. Quote it. Not generalities, specifics.


...
But, you are well able to do your own research.

And yes, research IS too hard for me.

Quite obviously. Why should anyone pay attention to anything you say?

I don't know, Percy, if you don't want to pay attention, don't. I won't miss your input.

You've missed the point and lost track of the discussion, which I've reconstructed above. You claim there's no violence by the right wing and declared that you weren't going to follow a link. AZPaul3 responded by saying that you're well able to do your own research. You replied, "Research IS too hard for me." If you're unable to find evidence for your views (the absence of right wing violence), why should anyone pay attention to anything you say?

But the topic here is doing research for my opposition, not for my own points.

You're just making up excuses. No one is asking you to do their research for them, but you do have to provide support for your own points, namely that there's no right wing violence. You're instead constructing excuses for why you're unable to provide any support for your claims.

I can only guess what link you're referring to since you quote nothing and didn't even reply to anyone specifically in your Message 224, but if it was 3 more Proud Boys members arrested for violent NYC brawl from Ramoss's Message 222 then here's an excerpt:

quote:
NEW YORK — Three more members of the far-right group known as the Proud Boys were arrested and charged on Monday, more than a week after a violent brawl on the streets of Manhattan. The New York Police Department had already arrested two other Proud Boy members in connection to the melee.
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...charges of riot and assault...A third man...has been charged with gang assault, assault, riot and criminal possession of a weapon.

Gee, riot, assault, possession of a weapon. This right wing group sounds pretty violent.

I hope everyone in the discussion objects to violence as a means of achieving political objectives.

--Percy


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DrJones*
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Message 265 of 362 (846598)
01-09-2019 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by Percy
01-09-2019 10:20 AM


Re: No one?
whoops, got my "P" cities mixed up.
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AZPaul3
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Message 266 of 362 (846601)
01-09-2019 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 264 by Percy
01-09-2019 11:55 AM


I hope everyone in the discussion objects to violence as a means of achieving political objectives.

Ok, I give you that, but, smashing a Nszi in the face just for being a Nazi can be quite satisfying.


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ringo
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Message 267 of 362 (846603)
01-09-2019 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 229 by Faith
01-08-2019 5:45 PM


Faith writes:

No. Antifa is new and dangerous....


Woody Guthrie had a slogan on his guitar: "This machine kills fascists."

(That's metaphorical violence, by the way.)


And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith
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Message 268 of 362 (846613)
01-09-2019 4:26 PM
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01-09-2019 2:15 PM


If it was true then it would kill Antifas today.
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Faith
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Message 269 of 362 (846614)
01-09-2019 4:27 PM
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01-09-2019 12:34 PM


I could punch a Nazi too, but these days I'd get more out of busting a Leftist's nose. Unfortunately I'd just break my hand, but even that might be satisfying enough.
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Faith
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Message 270 of 362 (846616)
01-09-2019 4:28 PM
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01-09-2019 11:55 AM


As I said, if you don't want to pay attention I won't miss you.
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