BTW the vast majority of refugees locked up and shut out are not and will not be undocumented immigrants. They are seeking asylum. That's legal under US and international law. 8 U.S. Code § 1158 - Asylum:
quote: Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.
You've named no antifa incidents that meet your criteria, now with new and improved restrictions.
The goalposts fly again... now it has to be premeditated. And the murderer must be there intending to murder. Murder is cool as long as it's spur-of-the-moment. Except in US law. James Alex Fields Jr. was found guilty of first degree murder. First-degree murder: any intentional murder that is willful and premeditated with malice a forethought.
It's pretty pitiful when you endorse murder to avoid admitting your error.
And it's even more obvious that no antifa incidents meet your increasingly restrictive conditions.
Antifa should be soundly denounced and put in prison...
I think law enforcement is up to the task when anyone commits any crimes, including Antifa members, Proud Boy members, etc.
...and "not endorsing their tactics" is meaningless,...
Then you have a poor understanding of the English language, or also possible, the lying conservative media has pumped you into a mindless rage that hinders your ability to think coherently.
...and just trotting out irrelevant right wing violence in response is basically denial.
Why is right wing murder and violence against those they disagree with politically irrelevant?
Stop depending on the usual media outlets, it's corrupt Leftism that's poisoning your mind.
First, I get my news from a variety of sources. See, for example, my recent Message 433 about an article from Fox News, and my recent Message 2693 about an article from the conservative Washington Examiner. If anyone's mind has been poisoned and inflamed it is yours, as is clear from the hatred and vitriol in your rhetoric.
Second, to convince people you must offer evidence. The only evidence you're providing so far is that you're very good at spewing hatred and vitriol.
As I've told you many times, Faith, I am not a leftist. I'm an independent. I've voted for people from both parties. But there's nothing illegitimate about honest political views, whether of the left or the right, though your particular right-wing views are not legitimate because they're based upon lies, misunderstandings, fear and hate.
And caring about people does not make one a bleeding heart dupe. It makes one a human being.
No it is not compassion, it's an imposition on American citizens who should not have to take care of people who are in our country illegally,...
You are wrong. We provide little care for illegal immigrants. In general illegal immigrants are not eligible for assistance programs. Even most legal permanent residents aren't eligible. The attraction of America is safety and work, so most illegals work and don't need government assistance, not that they could get it anyway.
...and they wouldn't be here except for the refusal to take effective measures to keep them out because the Left wants them here to overrun the country and in fact destroy it so they can have political power.
You are wrong again. Most illegal immigrants enter legally and then overstay their visas. A much lesser number arrive via illegal border crossings.
There are Leftist organizations that ENCOURAGE these people to come here and become dependent on Americans who cannot afford the burden and shouldn't have to.
You were already wrong about this, see above about illegal immigrants not being eligible for most assistance programs.
And escaping abuse is NOT the motive,...
You are wrong yet again. The reasons most often given on asylum applications are abuse and persecution.
...they get more abused on their hard journey here than in their home nations,...
The journey is fraught with danger, so what is one to do? Endure the abuse at home, or flee north and risk abuse on the journey?
...and extreme poverty has never been a reason for us to accept immigrants, what a ridiculous idea.
Nobody said poverty was a valid reason on asylum applications. What was said is that poverty is one reason why people want to come to the United States, the land of opportunity.
People who come here should be minimally able to support themselves.
Since illegal immigrants are willing to take jobs many Americans don't want, such as cleaning houses, landscaping, fruit picking and so forth, once here and embedded in an ethnic community they usually have little trouble supporting themselves.
What about AMERICAN POOR PEOPLE?
Unlike illegal immigrants, the poor qualify for most assistance programs, though I don't believe we're doing enough to help the poor, especially those in economically depressed regions. Making sure adequate healthcare is available to all the poor would be a good improvement.
There should be more than enough jobs for those able to work because there are more job openings at present than there are unemployed, though these job openings are not evenly distributed, I refer you back to the aforementioned economically depressed regions.
There are plenty of those and they don't get half the benefits these noncitizens get because of Leftist political corruption.
You are wrong yet again. How, exactly, are you imagining that illegal immigrants qualify for assistance, especially without calling themselves to the attention of the immigration service.
And of course you pull the bogus PC racist card,...
If you don't want racism mentioned then stop acting like a racist. I also mentioned the LGBT issue.
...what a useful idiot you are. WAKE UP.
Once again you have managed to write an entire message without saying almost anything true.
quote: there is no right wing violence, but there is lots of left wing violence against MAGA people. And the Left needs to soundly denounce Antifa and take measures to eliminate them or I don't believe any of their claims to oppose them.
Notice what you led with. Since then you've been frantically inventing restrictions in a vain attempt to exclude the Charlottesville murder (just one instance of right wing violence).
You said you weren't convinced James Alex Fields Jr. committed premeditated murder. The car drove into the crowd at 23-28 mph, stopped, reversed for several blocks (injuring more) and fled. You think he didn't intend to do that?
Thanks for confirming that you can't name a single antifa incident that meets your criteria, and you can't even acknowledge the right wing murderer at Charlottesville.
I named many...
I must have missed the post where named many Antifa incidents. I see a couple vague, unspecific and unreferenced mentions in your Message 240, but that's it. In any case, no one is endorsing Antifa. You can criticize Antifa all you like and we'll be right there with you. It's your claim that there's no corresponding right-wing violence that we're asking you to support, even though we've reminded you about the Proud Boys and Charlottesville.
...and I don't believe the Charlottesville incident was premeditated.
And you would be wrong yet again. James Fields was convicted of first degree murder, for which premeditation is required.
In any case they weren't there for violence, as Antifa always is.
There you go with the pronouns again. "They" meaning who? The Unite the Right protesters? A number were in attendance with the intention of instigating violence. See, for example, The alt-right is going on trial in Charlottesville. The Sines v. Kessler lawsuit charging the Unite the Right organizers with intentionally inciting violence is still wending its way through the courts, see the docket history to get a rough idea of current status.
I do hate Leftist ideology and propaganda with a purple passion for its virulent destructive hatred of everything good.
But you see compassion for your fellow human beings as "virulent destructive hatred." Your views are irrational and unsupported by evidence. You've fallen hook, line and sinker for the right-wing media's campaign of lies and hate.
No, I see bogus counterfeit fake phony trumped-up CLAIMS of compassion that are not real but are just used to smear conservative concerns about the actual realities of the situation. The Left couldn't care less about these people, it's all politics with them. If the people weren't encouraged to come here by Leftist liars, if we had a real barrier and a real system for dealing with the problem, they WOULDN'T come here and therefore they wouldn't be exposed to the dangers that call for compassion. I don't "fall for" any of this, I'm not an irrational sucker like you are. Perhaps you could volunteer to take in a family from say Guatemala who speak no English, at best one of them has a fifth grade education, they have a tubercular baby and all the kids have the H1N1 flu and various parasites and infections and the father has a criminal record in his own country, they are starving and need to be completely dependent on your support. And they would represent probably a majority of people in their country who aren't going to get your compassion unless you want us to bring all of them to you as well as well as the miserable poor of all the other nations in the world. Why do you hate Americans so much you want to do this to us? Why do the Leftists hate this country that much? Why don't you all spend your time trying to do something about the miserable conditions they come from instead of burdening us with them? Yes, this is indeed virulent hatred of everything reasonable and good. Leftism is pure evil.