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JonF
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Message 331 of 370 (846806)
01-11-2019 7:22 PM
Reply to: Message 330 by Faith
01-11-2019 6:55 PM


Vaccination rates in Mexico and Central America are higher than in the US. The asylum seekers carry very little disease. Very few of them have any criminal record. Once they're in the US they commit far fewer crimes per capita than native-born people.They have excellent work ethics and do lots of essential jobs that nobody else wants.

Note that Trump proposes to cut off aid to Central America. That'll make their conditions worse. Liberals favor trying to help them ameliorate conditions in those countries. Republicans, not so much.


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Faith
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Message 332 of 370 (846807)
01-11-2019 7:30 PM
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01-11-2019 7:22 PM


No, lots of these people arrive sick, and it's irrelevant how many are criminals, there are thousands of murders of Americans by illegals, and the gang called MS13? has committed many murders. And Americans will do those jobs if paid enough. Require that they be paid enough; exploiting the illegals and depriving Americans of jobs is corruption that needs to go. Aid to Central America goes to the corrupt governments and doesn't get to the people anyway.

WHAT iS WRONG WITH REQUIRING PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME HERE TO MEET OUR STANDARDS AND DO IT RIGHT? WHAT'S WITH YOU CRAZY LAWLESS LEFTISTS?

ABE: Oh, and "asylum seekers" is a big fraud. They are coming here for work and the usual opportunities they don't have at home as they always have. The great majority are young men, the women and children get pushed in front of the cameras but it's the young men as usual who are coming for jobs. It's too bad their countries are so corrupt and don't care about their own people. Too bad they are ruled by bosses who want to keep their power and deprive the people. THAT's the problem. The US does take care of the people which is why everybody wants to come here. The US also does a LOT for the poor of the rest of the world, but there's a limit for pete's sake.

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JonF
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Message 333 of 370 (846808)
01-11-2019 7:59 PM
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01-11-2019 7:30 PM


Very few of them arrive sick.

As to crime:

Pink is native-born, yellow is undocumented immigrants, blue is documented immigrants.

Americans will do those jobs if they are paid enough. They are backbreaking, dirty, boring, soul-destroying jobs, so you'll have to pay them a lot. A lot of your food prices, especially greens and vegetables, will skyrocket.. REALLY skyrocket.. And many other items you wouldn't expect. Plus it's probably un-Constitutional and definitely non-conservative to regulate pay in only those companies that employ undocumented immigrants. Unless you're going to impose a minimum wage much larger than today country-wide.

Or maybe they'll pay out of the goodness of their hearts.

So what do you propose to improve conditions in Central America? Maybe invade and take over the whole shebang. Heck, once murder by Republican is OK, why not some good old fashioned colonialism?

Seeking asylum is doing it right. Getting asylum is no guarantee, there are lots of hurdles. I note your usual lies about the refugees.

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Message 334 of 370 (846809)
01-11-2019 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 318 by Faith
01-11-2019 9:41 AM


Having a bunch of people with rifles, and chanting nazi slogans is not a way to promote the peace.
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Message 335 of 370 (846812)
01-11-2019 9:24 PM
Reply to: Message 332 by Faith
01-11-2019 7:30 PM


And they are brown. How are we to be expected to welcome brown people to this country?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Percy
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Message 336 of 370 (846825)
01-12-2019 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 330 by Faith
01-11-2019 6:55 PM


Faith writes:

No, I see bogus counterfeit fake phony trumped-up CLAIMS of compassion that are not real but are just used to smear conservative concerns about the actual realities of the situation.

You're calling the concern people express for human suffering phony because you experience no such feelings yourself and because you have no actual defense for Trump's deplorable policies. You have no knowledge of "the actual realities of the situation." Everything you say is stuff made up by the lying right-wing media.

The Left couldn't care less about these people, it's all politics with them.

I hope everyone of all political persuasions sincerely cares about the plight of those fleeing abuse and persecution.

If the people weren't encouraged to come here by Leftist liars, if we had a real barrier and a real system for dealing with the problem, they WOULDN'T come here and therefore they wouldn't be exposed to the dangers that call for compassion.

Repetition of false information won't make it true. Most illegal immigrants have overstayed their visas, not committed illegal border crossings.

I don't "fall for" any of this, I'm not an irrational sucker like you are.

You pretty much are an "irrational sucker." That you swallow whole the lies told to you is why your posts rarely contain anything that is actually true. What they mostly contain is hate and disparagement and disgust.

Perhaps you could volunteer to take in a family from say Guatemala who speak no English, at best one of them has a fifth grade education, they have a tubercular baby and all the kids have the H1N1 flu and various parasites and infections and the father has a criminal record in his own country, they are starving and need to be completely dependent on your support.

This is what your right-wing masters have brainwashed you to believe.

And they would represent probably a majority of people in their country who aren't going to get your compassion unless you want us to bring all of them to you as well as well as the miserable poor of all the other nations in the world.

The United States should be a beacon of hope to the oppressed of the world.

Why do you hate Americans so much you want to do this to us?

Helping those less fortunate than ourselves enriches us.

Why do the Leftists hate this country that much? Why don't you all spend your time trying to do something about the miserable conditions they come from instead of burdening us with them? Yes, this is indeed virulent hatred of everything reasonable and good. Leftism is pure evil.

I think right-wing propaganda has knocked your mind all akilter.

And yes you are a Leftist.

Why do you think concern for others is a quality exclusive to those on the left?

--Percy


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Percy
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Message 337 of 370 (846832)
01-12-2019 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 332 by Faith
01-11-2019 7:30 PM


Faith writes:

No, lots of these people arrive sick,...

You've been listening to the propaganda of your right-wing handlers again.

...and it's irrelevant how many are criminals,...

No, of course it's not irrelevant. No one wants criminals entering the country. And no one is for illegal immigration. Having compassion for the unfortunate is not synonymous with encouraging immigration. But whether it's migrants at legal points of entry or illegal immigrants apprehended on the US side of the border, they're all allowed to request asylum.

...there are thousands of murders of Americans by illegals,...

Who made this one up for you? There are only about 17,000 murders in the country annually. Are you seriously claiming that a significant percentage of murders are committed by illegal immigrants, who represent only 3% of the population? They must be a very busy group.

...and the gang called MS-13 has committed many murders.

Only about 35 murders per year are attributed to MS-13. (Iíve Been Reporting on MS-13 for a Year. Here Are the 5 Things Trump Gets Most Wrong.)

And Americans will do those jobs if paid enough. Require that they be paid enough;...

So you're advocating raising the minimum wage? I think that's wonderful.

...exploiting the illegals and depriving Americans of jobs is corruption that needs to go.

There are already more job openings than people to fill them.

Aid to Central America goes to the corrupt governments and doesn't get to the people anyway.

You're right, corrupt governments are a genuine problem that makes improving the quality of life for their citizens very difficult for foreign countries. I doubt there are any easy answers.

WHAT iS WRONG WITH REQUIRING PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME HERE TO MEET OUR STANDARDS AND DO IT RIGHT? WHAT'S WITH YOU CRAZY LAWLESS LEFTISTS?

What is wrong with having both compassion and respect for the law at the same time? A mother with a listless and unresponsive baby presents at the Tijuana border crossing where migrants are supposed to wait in Mexico until it's their turn to apply for asylum. What to do? Turn her away and possibly let the baby die? Or let her in to begin the asylum process on humanitarian grounds and give the baby immediate medical attention? The answer is obvious, you let her in, and such humanitarian action is embodied in American law, statute 212(d)(5)(A) of the Immigration and Nationality Act.

ABE: Oh, and "asylum seekers" is a big fraud. They are coming here for work and the usual opportunities they don't have at home as they always have.

There are treaties establishing the rights of asylum seekers, and the US is signatory. There is a formal process for reviewing applications for asylum. I couldn't find exact figures, but it looks like it averages around 50% of applications granted each year. In actual numbers it seems to average around 23,000.

The great majority are young men, the women and children get pushed in front of the cameras but it's the young men as usual who are coming for jobs.

As I've been saying, we have more jobs than people to fill them, and immigrants are willing to accept jobs Americans don't want. If they work on the books then they pay taxes, and they can't take advantage of any assistance services.

It's too bad their countries are so corrupt and don't care about their own people.

Yes, that's too bad. We should try to help, assuming we can figure effective approaches that are truly helpful.

Too bad they are ruled by bosses who want to keep their power and deprive the people.

You mean like Wisconsin?

THAT's the problem. The US does take care of the people which is why everybody wants to come here. The US also does a LOT for the poor of the rest of the world, but there's a limit for pete's sake.

Well, yes, of course there are limits, but that doesn't mean we don't have compassion. That doesn't mean we try to make the unfortunate even less fortunate. We have a humanitarian crisis deep in Central America, and the effects extend all the way north to our southern border. This is such a severe and significant problem that it has caused a political stalemate resulting in closure of a third of our government. Turning our back on migrants is not the solution.

The US should work toward making the rest of the western hemisphere as desirable a place to live as the US - that's how we'll really solve the illegal immigration problem.

One more thing you might think about as you collect your monthly Social Security check. Social Security is expected to be solvent until somewhere around 2032, at which point benefits will be reduced. This is because the US is suffering a demographic problem where, as the Baby Boom generation hits retirement age, fewer and fewer workers must pay for more and more retirees. The fertility rate continues to drop, so there's no solution there. But an influx of young immigrants, both individuals and families, would help Social Security a great deal.

--Percy


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JonF
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Message 338 of 370 (846846)
01-12-2019 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 332 by Faith
01-11-2019 7:30 PM


Perhaps you could volunteer to take in a family from say Guatemala who speak no English, at best one of them has a fifth grade education, they have a tubercular baby and all the kids have the H1N1 flu and various parasites and infections and the father has a criminal record in his own country, they are starving and need to be completely dependent on your support..

No, lots of these people arrive sick, and it's irrelevant how many are criminals,

Make up your mind.
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Faith
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Message 339 of 370 (846848)
01-12-2019 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 337 by Percy
01-12-2019 12:28 PM


The true Right has true statistics, yours are manipulated by the Left.
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Faith
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Message 340 of 370 (846849)
01-12-2019 3:10 PM
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01-12-2019 3:05 PM


I never said anything about how many are criminals. The relevant statistic is how many murders and other crimes have been committed by illegals.

About arriving sick, one of the children who died after arriving at the border, which inspired the Left to its usual manufactured "compassionate" America-hating tizzy, had the h1n1 virus. I doubt your claims about immunization in the home countries anyway. Why would their corrupt governments care about the health of the people anyway?

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Faith
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Message 341 of 370 (846852)
01-12-2019 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 337 by Percy
01-12-2019 12:28 PM


Turning our back on migrants is not the solution.

Since they are misled by various Leftist and Open Borders organizations into making the dangerous trek in the first place, if we had a secure system that kept them out unless they applied through legal channels, meaning from their own countries and not after they arrive here, they would not make the trek in the first place and we would not be put in the position of "turning our backs" on them. That's the doing of the Hate America Left, which is the main thing you are not getting from your media propaganda mill.
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\How many hundreds of thousands and millions of illegals do you think America can afford to have "compassion" toward? Are you thinking at all? Do you have any notion at all of what it's been costing us which is never mentioned by the Left since all they care about is getting fraudulent votes from uneducated people?

And again, why are you defending ILLEGAL entry no matter how many jobs there are? Drugs ARE coming in, criminals ARE coming in, people who become depending on our welfare system thanks to the idiot Left ARE coming in and all this is costing us billions, yes billions. Your "compassion" is nothing but a way of shutting up rational discussion while ignoring the corruption that exploits the cheap labor at the expense of Americans who would take the work if they got paid enough, and the political motivation that allows noncitizens to vote.. What about compassion for AMERICANS?

The US should work toward making the rest of the western hemisphere as desirable a place to live as the US - that's how we'll really solve the illegal immigration problem.

I agree and I'm sure it's being done to the best of anyone's ability, but what can you do with a sovereign government that does not share our values and only wants to stay in power no matter what? Financial aid only goes to the wrong people. The people themselves have to be able to create enterprises that build up their society. If the policies of their government don't make that possible what would you suggest as the solution?


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Message 342 of 370 (846854)
01-12-2019 3:32 PM
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01-12-2019 3:29 PM


How many hundreds of thousands and millions of illegals do you think America can afford to have "compassion" toward?

As a christian you should be able to answer this as "All of them."


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Faith
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Message 343 of 370 (846855)
01-12-2019 3:36 PM
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01-12-2019 3:32 PM


No, even the most prosperous nation in the world can't afford that, but I suppose you'd like to see us go totally bankrupt like all the left does, see more thousands of Americans become homeless and the whole nation become a third world swamp. Besides, I love my American neighbors enough not to do that to them even if it were possible, and Jesus does not ask that of us. Only an idiot would interpret Him as saying such a thing. A mentally deranged Leftist idiot with absolutely no sense of reality OR Christian teaching. There are unfortunately idiot "churches" that commit such evil in His name.

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Message 344 of 370 (846862)
01-12-2019 4:22 PM
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01-12-2019 3:36 PM


That is one screwed up christianity you practice there.

Like most rightist demagogues you seem willfully blind to any human suffering but your own.


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Faith
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Message 345 of 370 (846864)
01-12-2019 4:25 PM
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01-12-2019 4:22 PM


Hey you should write your own Bible too, along with ringo. I'm very familiar with mine, but obviously you know SO much better, just as all the rest of the unbelievers here do. Have at it.

It should be pretty interesting when Jesus confronts all you know it alls with your misreadings of His teachings. One glance from Him should do it, shrink you down to size.

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