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Author Topic:   Violence in the Bible and the Quran
ringo
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Message 4 of 76 (845849)
12-21-2018 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Faith
12-21-2018 1:00 PM


Faith writes:
I'm not sure which of Islam's books tell the reader to kill Jews....
Of course you're not sure - just like I'm not sure which planet is covered with strawberry jam. But we know it's true.

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ringo
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Message 11 of 76 (845912)
12-22-2018 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by GDR
12-21-2018 7:10 PM


GDR writes:
In the Bible there is a slow progressive movement away from the violent nature of God in the OT.
In the Old Testament it's destruction by water. In the New Testament it 's destruction by fire. No difference.

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ringo
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Message 56 of 76 (846830)
01-12-2019 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Faith
01-11-2019 2:04 PM


Re: Biblical slavery
Faith writes:
... Paul's recommendation to a Christian slave owner to release his Christian slave sets this new tone....
To release his Christian slaves? Why wouldn't the Golden Rule apply to all slaves?

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ringo
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Message 61 of 76 (846839)
01-12-2019 1:56 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Faith
01-12-2019 1:51 PM


Re: Biblical slavery
Phat writes:
There was one slave involved, who was a Christian and with Paul at the time. Paul wrote to his owner, also a Christian whom he knew, to suggest that he set him free. It's there to be a model for whomever. They had both become Christians and Paul was a Christian leader.
But why would it be a "recommendation" or a "suggestion" at all? Why would it not be automatic for a Christian to treat others as he would want to be treated? Why would Paul even have to mention it?

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ringo
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Message 63 of 76 (846842)
01-12-2019 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Faith
01-12-2019 2:12 PM


Re: Biblical slavery
Faith writes:
Because slavery was an entrenched practice everywhere in the world, just one of many classes of people in all societies and not considered to be a particular wrong. That understanding had to grow over time.
No it didn't, no more so than any other doctrine. If the early Christians could accept the concept that Jesus was their Saviour, they could accept the concept of doing unto others as they would have others do unto them.

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ringo
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Message 67 of 76 (846850)
01-12-2019 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Faith
01-12-2019 3:03 PM


Re: Biblical slavery
Faith writes:
Fine. Write your own Bible, the real one is obviously so far inferior to your wisdom we need yours to replace it.
You're the one who rejects what the Bible actually says in favour of what the apologists and commentators tell you to believe. I think it's plain from Paul's epistle that slavery was acceptable to the early church just like it was acceptable to American Christians until 1865. It illustrates how Christian morality is based on doctrine rather than empathy.

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ringo
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Message 74 of 76 (846969)
01-14-2019 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by Faith
01-13-2019 9:19 AM


Re: Biblical slavery
Faith writes:
There is no such thing as homophobia in the sense used by Cultural Marxist Political Correctness and is not a sin in any case but homosexual behavior is a sin against God's Law.
Well, no. Jesus said that God's law boils down to, "Love God and love your neighbour as yourself."
quote:
Luke 10:25-27 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
Homosexual behaviour doesn't violate that law. Denying rights to homosexuals does.

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