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Lammy
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Message 1 of 30 (846178)
12-30-2018 4:03 PM


First of all, no I am not another crank. I still don't believe in homeopath medicine. I'm a person of science. I have always been a person of science. I will always be a person of science.

I felt the need to get that out there first before I go on any further. I don't want people to role their eyes and say to themselves "oh great, another anti-science crank".

For as long as I could remember right to the first memories that I have, I always had IBS (Irritable Bowel Syndrome). It was something that I thought was normal. In other words, for as long as I could remember, I had always had diarrhea. Painful diarrhea. In my young teens, I was completely taken by surprise when I found out other people didn't suffer great pain when they had to go to the bathroom.

In my mid-teens, I began to develop auto-immune disorder. I would react to nothing. At first, I only got hives and my face would poof up. Then in my late teens things started getting bad. I almost died several times in the emergency room. I had to carry around my epi-pen everywhere I go. And I had to take regular medication to keep the symptoms down. Also in my mid-teens, I became lactose intolerant.

Then in my mid-20s, I developed type 2 diabetes. Also got high blood pressure.

Before I go on, let me make this clear. I have always been a health freak. I have always been athletic. Played lots of sports like soccer and tracks. I have also always been eating healthy. Without listing my meal plans, just trust me on this. Right around my 20s, I became a gym rat. I was always working out.

My test results came back as if I was 200 pounds overweight and I ate nothing but pizza all the time. My doctors told me I needed to change my lifestyle by being more active and eat healthy. I told them exactly my routines and they were very puzzled.

And that's another point I wanted to bring up. In the last 20 years, I have been to so many doctors and so many specialists. Every time they saw my test results, every one of them said the same thing as if they belonged to some kind of borg collective. They all said I needed to become more active, lose weight, and eat healthy. But I was already active, my body fat percentage was always in the low 10s percent, and I have always ate healthy.

None of them could explain why my cholesterol level was always in the 300s despite their prescribed meds that I always took or why my sugar and triglyceride levels were always super high. Again, looking at my tests alone, you'd think I was eating nothing but pizza all the time and was 200 pounds overweight. My body fat percentage never went above 15%, though. At one point, I was so obsessed with being fit that I got my body fat percentage down to 8-9%.

I also started developing severe pains in my joints. I was told I had inflammation everywhere. And then the unthinkable began to happen: I started losing my hair... in my mid 20s. I did my research into family history and as far as I could find I am the first and only person in my extended family from both sides to have started losing my hair. Get that? I got 4 siblings with full heads of hair. Again, total mystery to my doctors.

It didn't end there. I started developing narcolepsy.

So, here I was having half a dozen serious health issues and taking prescribed meds for them with little to no progress. And all this time, all the doctors and specialists I went to kept saying I needed to lose weight, eat better, and be more active, never mind that I was running 5 miles every other day, was down to around 10% body fat, and was benching 120-130% of my body weight. The painful diarrhea never stopped, by the way. Total mystery to them all.

By this time, you're probably wondering what about my diet?

Let me be clear on this. I have tried all the various types of diets out there. Atkins diet, McDougall starch based diet, low calorie diet, paleo diet, veggie diet, vegan diet, rice diet, banana diet, and just about every other diet you can find on the internet.

Then about a year ago, I came upon something on the internet. It's called fasting. I asked my doctors about it, and they were all horrified. Their reaction was it couldn't be healthy, I would crash my metabolism, I'm just starving myself, etc. They all said DON'T DO IT! By this time, I've had over a dozen specialists told me this, so I brushed it aside.

Then a few months later, during one of my painful sessions in the bathroom I thought what the hell I've tried everything out there let's try this thing. So, I went on a water fast (nothing at all but water) for 5 days. I didn't say anything to my doctors, though. They were against it.

When I came out of fasting, I went into intermittent fasting. Basically, I eat once a day. After just 3 months of eating once a day, without taking any of the dozen meds I'd been taking for years, all my health issues went away. My cholesterol took a nosedive from the high 200s down to 160s. I was declared free of type 2. I no longer felt sleepy during the day, let alone a narcoleptic attack. My joints stopped hurting. My blood pressure finally got down to normal. And for the first time in my life, I knew what it was like to go to the bathroom like a normal person.

Oh yeah, and I am no longer lactose intolerant. I can eat as much cheese and as drink as much cow milk as I want. Just had some mac and cheese with the husband. I particularly like the greek flaming Nagasaki.

My hair didn't grow back, though.

Since all my doctors were strongly against fasting, I never told them. As far as they know, after 20 years of having all kinds of serious health issues, everything went away and now I'm a normal healthy adult. I am still debating with myself whether to tell them or not. They are still monitoring me. I just don't want to get into an argument with a bunch of doctors set in their ways, which is I was suppose to take all their prescribed medication for the rest of my life and that fasting is bad.

My test results continue to come back perfect for the first time since ever. My only regret now is I wish I had found out about fasting a lot sooner.

I can definitely see why some people seek out all the whacko alternative medicine like homeopath meds. There are some weird conditions out there. Modern medical doctors operate within a box and they are not allowed to even think outside that box. 20 years of seeking out one specialist after another, not a single one cared to consider that perhaps all the health issues I've had all my life have been symptoms of an underlying problem. And yes, I do believe that everything I have suffered (type 2, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, IBS, painful joints, regular anaphylactic attacks over nothing, etc.) were just symptoms of an underlying cause. Whatever that cause is I have no idea, since I can't find a doctor open-minded enough to try to track it down. All I know is I am now symptom-free and all I have to do is eat one meal a day 4-5 days out of the week. Every once in a while, I go on a water fast for about a week.

I still go to the gym 5 times a week. My husband cooks the best meals for us. My hair hasn't grown back, though. I'm still working on that one. But for now, defying my doctors have cured me of all my conditions before.

I've never told this to anyone other than my husband. You guys get to be the first to know about my health journey

Edit.

As far as I know, I am the first person I know of to have regained my lactose tolerance. I think I should get some kind of award for this.

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If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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Phat
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Message 2 of 30 (846188)
12-30-2018 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Lammy
12-30-2018 4:03 PM


Questioning Medical Wisdom.
Good job, Lammy. Why the name change, BTW? I have done my research as well and agree that IF+Good fats, Organic Proteins in moderation, and low glycemic vegetables are the best course for me. I also believe in extended fasting on occasion...so far my longest was 3 days and my Doctor supervises me on longer fasts. Most evidence is anecdotal, though reputable Doctors back the science. Sometimes it takes an extended fast to get healthy. I'll comment more later...gotta go to work. Keep up the good work. I have links to lots of videos extolling the virtues of fasting and few opposed to it...though traditional medicine loves its pharmaceuticals. The consensus is changing slowly.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Phat
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Message 3 of 30 (846209)
12-31-2018 8:19 AM
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12-30-2018 4:03 PM


5 Day Fast Planned
Lambo writes:

I thought what the hell I've tried everything out there let's try this thing. So, I went on a water fast (nothing at all but water) for 5 days. I didn't say anything to my doctors, though. They were against it.
When I came out of fasting, I went into intermittent fasting. Basically, I eat once a day. After just 3 months of eating once a day, without taking any of the dozen meds I'd been taking for years, all my health issues went away. My cholesterol took a nosedive from the high 200s down to 160s. I was declared free of type 2. I no longer felt sleepy during the day, let alone a narcoleptic attack. My joints stopped hurting. My blood pressure finally got down to normal.

I'm going to call you Lambo because you are a beast! I'm proud of you. I have researched this type of dieting and lifestyle for a little over a year now. There are many Doctors who now advocate a low carb approach coupled with intermittent fasting. For me, a Type II Diabetic, it is quite simply the healthiest way to eat and to control my out of control blood sugar which may have already destroyed my kidneys, eyes, and feet. (microvascular complications)
Before, I was under the care of Dr.Lori Gerard at the Denver Endocrinology, Diabetes & Thyroid Center. For over 5 years, I was prescribed insulin...both long-acting and Humalog(rapid-acting) and told to take it regularly. My blood sugars over the years were catastrophically high. So I began to research the low carb diets and the theory behind the science---that it was, in fact, insulin that actually promotes insulin resistance and that giving a Type II Diabetic insulin makes it virtually impossible for them to lose weight or to significantly lower their A1C.
My current Doctor: Insulin Resistance Not Cholesterol Causes Heart Disease - Jeffry Gerber, MD So I have heard the talks, read the books, and have come to the conclusion that these Doctors know their science. Why the conservative Medical Establishment that Dr.Lori Gerard associates with fail to see this science is a bit of a mystery unless it has primarily something to do with money.

Note in Dr.Gerards Bio:
Dr. Gerard has been active in research studies involving inhaled insulin therapy, newer insulin analogs, insulin pumps, and continuous glucose monitoring. She is also involved in multidisciplinary studies related to glucose control strategies during pregnancy and improved neonatal outcomes.~
Thus, I feel as if she intentionally listened to the pharmaceutical "wisdom" rather than the science of Low Carb, Intermittent and Extended Fasting, and the Doctors who follow that strategy. Here are three more videos. Enjoy and tell me if you see any flaws in their science:


I am about to attempt a 5 day fast.(Starts at 7 pm Wed) I will see my Doctor on Day 2 and will be fully monitored for any adverse results. Stay tuned.

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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Percy
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Message 4 of 30 (846213)
12-31-2018 10:04 AM
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12-30-2018 4:03 PM


My journey wasn't anywhere as intense as yours, my health problem not anywhere as severe as your array of symptoms, but I experienced the same thing with doctors. I couldn't get them to consider unfamiliar options. I would remind them that the advice they were giving to people with my problem was different from 10 years ago, which was different from 20 years ago, which was different from 30 years ago, and so forth. Since the advice they were giving now would be different in 10 years, might they possibly consider that they were as wrong now as they had been 10, 20 and 30 years ago?

Of course the answer was no. They were giving the best advice available, and there was no other advice. Many of them thought I was talking science fiction, asking them to give me advice from 10 years in the future, but all I was really trying to do was get them to consider other possibilities. It never worked.

A little history. I had always had less stamina than my peers throughout my life. This was a minor matter when I was young because I never aspired to be a professional athlete - playing at the amateur club level was fine with me. But as I got into my 40's the problem became more and more pronounced until finally I was fatiguing very quickly with minor exercise and would quickly run out of breath.

The lightbulb went on while visiting an elderly housing facility. I noticed that it was common for some residents to run out of breath after minor exercise, such as climbing a few stairs. Realizing that their problem was diminished heart function I decided that I had to further explore the cardiological possibility. I had already seen a cardiologist, but all my valves were functioning fine, echocardiograms revealed clear arteries, and the electrocardiogram came back normal. It was time to delve more deeply into cardiology.

Skipping the details, I finally found the answer with the help of doctors following a traditional but state-of-the-art approach. A catheter with a blood pressure sensor was inserted through my carotid artery down into my left ventricle. Contrast material was added to my blood for X-ray photographs to be taken every 10 seconds. Blood samples were to be taken every 30 seconds. I then rode an exercise bike until I could ride no more.

The diagnosis was left ventricular hypertrophy, meaning my left ventricle walls are thicker than is optimal, making it difficult for the left ventricle to take in enough blood during each heartbeat. The solution was simple: medication, which works for some people, not for others, but fortunately worked for me.

I'm happy to hear you found a solution that works for you. I've kept my own story short, but I searched for a solution with doctors for 20 years, and it was long and frustrating. You've found a way to treat your symptoms, which is all you need, but I hope you eventually find the cause because that might make clear additional ways to treat your symptoms.

One frustration I didn't experience was convincing doctors I was active, but that was only because of my orthopaedic problems. Obviously someone wearing out his hips as quickly as I was must be very active. I've had both hips replaced, the second one this past summer.

--Percy


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Lammy
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Message 5 of 30 (846214)
12-31-2018 10:32 AM
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12-31-2018 10:04 AM


LOL regarding about convincing my doctors I was active, I must admit that there were times I showed them my muscles and 6 pack abs. It was like all they could see was my test results and completely blind to what I actually look like. One time after one of them told me I needed to lose weight, be more active, and eat healthy, I lost it and asked him how much leaner did he want me to be? At the time, I had reduced my body fat down to around 8%. Doctors seem to have a lot of trouble understanding that my health issues aren't the result of obesity. So please stop treating me like I'm 200 pounds overweight.

I should also add that the low carb diet also did not work for me. The only thing that works to rid me of all my ills is eating one large meal a day. I have experimented with all kinds of things to eat and so far as I can tell it doesn't matter what I eat. As long as I only eat once a day I'm symptom-free. My friends and family have commented on how much I eat when they see me eat. For example, the other night I ate a 12 oz steak, 2 large potatoes, and a variety of vegetables. Some people commented that it's amazing I'm not fat. I had to tell them this was my only meal for the day and I needed to pack enough calories in this meal to maintain my muscles.

And now that I can eat a huge amount of food without having painful symptoms, I can finally try to bulk up muscle mass like no other time before.

What amazes me is all it took to make all my ills go away was something so simple... Simply eat once a day. I would really like to eventually find out what the hell is wrong with me that causes me to not be able to eat like a normal person (eat multiple times a day) without suffering so much. If only I could find a doctor that isn't horrified of fasting locally.

See, I'm an engineering manager. And my husband and I own a business. It would be too much of a distraction to my life if I have to travel far away to visit a clinic that isn't opposed to fasting.


If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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Message 6 of 30 (846229)
12-31-2018 8:02 PM
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I experienced the same thing with doctors. I couldn't get them to consider unfamiliar options.

it's the old "when you hear hoofbeats think horses not zebras" problem. The rare weird stuff is rare so they try to box your symptoms into the common causes.

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Message 7 of 30 (846233)
01-01-2019 12:23 AM
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12-30-2018 4:03 PM


Its not so much the doctors fault, its the whole for profit medical system, there is way less profit in cures then in treatments so the free market produces treatments and not cures its that simple.

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Lammy
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Message 8 of 30 (846234)
01-01-2019 12:27 AM
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In my case, I developed autoimmunity disorder, type 2 diabetes, regular inflammation of the joints, high cholesterol, high triglycerides level, painful IBS, lactose intolerance, and other things.

Here is something I haven't mentioned in this thread. Before my recent one meal a day discovery, whenever I peed my pee stream would be very thin and lacked pressure. Go ahead and laugh. I would laugh too if it weren't sometimes so painful. It was like having a bottleneck somewhere in my urinal tract. My doctors always dismissed it as me having a smaller than usual urinary tract.

Well, ever since I started eating one meal a day, for the first time in my life I can pee a full stream like everyone else.

My point is how come the doctors never made any connection with all these symptoms? How come they always tried to treat me for each individual problem without looking into the possibility that all of these issues were symptoms of a common cause?

Dare I say this is a failing of science? The unwillingness to consider the opinion or annecdote of the individual?

If you don't believe all my health issues had a common cause and that it was pure coincidence I got hit with all these problems, then how come me eating one meal a day made them all go away? Even my lactose intolerance is gone. My husband and I just came back from an Italian restaurant where I had a lot of cheeae in my pasta. No lactaid pills needed. I even had a cheese cake for desert. Just 6 months ago, even with lactaid, eating a cheese cake would have made me sick the rest of the night.

Is my experience not worth anything to science? Am I suppose to ignore the fact that all my problems have gone away without any medication by simply eating one meal a day because no scientific study has been done on this?

Again, I think I deserve some kind of award for achieving something that so many doctors failed to do for the last 20 years. And I'm not even in a health care related profession.

I'm starting to lean toward confronting my doctors about my findings. I'm sure they will dismiss me like they have done so many times before.


If you say the word "gullible" slowly, it sounds like oranges. Go ahead and try it.

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Message 9 of 30 (846236)
01-01-2019 6:01 AM
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01-01-2019 12:27 AM


Started Fast at 7 PM Wednesday
Lambo writes:

Let me be clear on this. I have tried all the various types of diets out there. Atkins diet, McDougall starch-based diet, low-calorie diet, paleo diet, veggie diet, vegan diet, rice diet, banana diet, and just about every other diet you can find on the internet. (...)I should also add that the low carb diet also did not work for me.

I am curious about why you rejected the low carb diet approach since much of the research that I have done indicates that it is the best diet to lower inflammation, control blood sugar, and many of the other symptoms you have had. My guess is that you never allowed it to have a chance....the other reason being that it can be boring and not as tasty as the yummy stuff your hubby makes. The science indicates that it takes three weeks for the body to switch from being a sugar burner to a fat burner. We usually only burn glucose or ketones. The first week without carbs(exceeding 40 grams a day) leaves one feeling lethargic and weak...like a car with a bad fuel pump. The second week is better...and the third week brings fresh energy that is limitless. It is no longer a challenge to have enough energy since fat stores are virtually limitless...unless you are down below 8% body fat as you are. Even then you can safely do an extended fast of 3-5 days when necessary. However....the intermittent fasting does give the digestive system, liver and kidneys adequate time to process the large one meal that you do have, and you are controlling blood sugars through the exercise plus the fasting. My point is that a higher fat diet would control the blood sugar easier, the inflammation would naturally decrease, and as you became keto-adapted you would not worry as much about getting adequate fuel. The only drawback to low insulin and healthy fat is that muscles do not grow as dramatically as a higher carb/higher insulin spike allows. Research shows that they can and do grow, however. Look at some of Thomas DeLauers videos on YouTube. Also, it becomes far easier to do intermittent fasting with the fat-adapted cells.

Here is something I haven't mentioned in this thread. Before my recent one meal a day discovery, whenever I peed my pee stream would be very thin and lacked pressure. Go ahead and laugh. I would laugh too if it weren't sometimes so painful. It was like having a bottleneck somewhere in my urinal tract. My doctors always dismissed it as me having a smaller than usual urinary tract.
I would suggest that an enlarged prostate could cause such a thing, as well as kidney issues, but I personally have also found that eating less frequently allows my inner plumbing to work better. And I am 59!!
If you don't believe all my health issues had a common cause and that it was pure coincidence I got hit with all these problems, then how come me eating one meal a day made them all go away?
Again, one meal a day gives the system more time to do its job. The real question is why a young man such as yourself had those health problems so early in life.

Anyway, I started the fast Wednesday morning early.The first day is spent burning off the glucose left in the body and liver...this extends to day 2 as well, and tiredness briefly develops.
I find that my feet hurt less, and I am counting on autophagy to help rid my eyes of any scar tissue before my operation scheduled January 22nd. I have basically 3 weeks to get my body ready. My biggest fear now is that I have already allowed too much damage to my microvascular system that is essentially irreversible...and all that from the insulin I took for years. I am still awaiting bloodwork results from my December 20th appointment.

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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Percy
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Message 10 of 30 (846239)
01-01-2019 8:21 AM
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Lammy writes:

I'm starting to lean toward confronting my doctors about my findings. I'm sure they will dismiss me like they have done so many times before.

Only one thing ever helped me push back against doctors: bringing my wife to the appointment. She was able to provide additional perspective and details. For example, one time she related the story of a then recent incident where I was sawing a small tree branch about three inches in diameter and had to stop and rest every 20 seconds or so (muscle fatigue, out of breath). I could have told the same story, but it had more weight coming from someone else. Another time I brought a short video a friend shot of me engaged in a short period of athletic activity and then quickly going to the sidelines gasping for air.

But most of my success with doctors came from simply moving on to the next doctor. This turned out to be relatively easy to do. Most doctors were eager to pass me on to another doctor when nothing they tried worked, and the next doctor in the chain was usually more specialized. There were a number of dead ends (pulmonology, neurology, endocrinology, rheumatology, nephrology, physical medicine and rehabilitation), but eventually I found the right course. Nothing I tried for self treatment worked for me (like you I experimented a great deal with diet), which makes sense given what it eventually turned out to be.

It might still be a good idea to continue trying to track down the cause, because these things tend to evolve and change as we age. I wonder if there's something atypical in your internal geometry, causing parts of the digestive system to push disadvantageously on other organs depending upon how much you eat.

--Percy


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Message 11 of 30 (846240)
01-01-2019 9:08 AM
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Re: Started Fast at 7 PM Wednesday.
I tried low carb for months

Speaking of feet, that's another thing that went away. I was diagnosed with Plantar Fasciitis. Oh my goodness there were times when it hurt so bad.

Went away completely several months ago.

Edit

Wait, wait hang on. Surgery for what?

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Message 12 of 30 (846243)
01-01-2019 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Lammy
01-01-2019 9:08 AM


Re: Started Fast at 7 PM Wednesday.
I have proliferative retinopathy in my eyes from years of high Blood sugars(caused in part from high insulin which was given by my doctors) and am having a vitrectomy. If I knew then what I know now about how to lose weight and get off the insulin I would have done it years ago. I'm angry at myself for not knowing better...I can't simply blame "Denver's Top Endocrinologist" for not bothering to keep up with the latest medical research. I really don't want to go through this operation, however.

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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 13 of 30 (846249)
01-01-2019 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Phat
01-01-2019 11:46 AM


Re: Started Fast at 7 PM Wednesday.
My sister who is overweight and diabetic (ty 2) has been suffering quite a bit. I talked with her not too long ago. I told her that I defied my doctors' orders and did my own thing and is now free of all symptoms and issues without any medication. Then she told me what her doctor told her. It horrified me.

Her doctor told her to eat like 20 micro-meals a day. Her symptoms are getting worse, and the worse they get, the more micro-meals her doctor told her to eat. That is exactly the opposite of what the latest research tells us what we should do with her problems.

Doctors are supposed to be men of science, yes? And science is supposed to be a self-adjusting, self-improving system based on new evidence, yes? Why the hell don't they keep up with the latest research and adjust? Knowing what I know now, doctors seem to be more like religious zealots who are set in their doctrines no matter what the evidence right in front of them shows.

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Message 14 of 30 (846251)
01-01-2019 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Lammy
01-01-2019 2:59 PM


Re: Started Fast at 7 PM Wednesday.
Watch the three videos in my post. each of those Doctors presents a valid argument in favor of low insulin and intermittent fasting. Two of them don't even have books to sell. My intuition tells me that they are right. Oh one more question: Is your sister on insulin?

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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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Message 15 of 30 (846282)
01-02-2019 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Lammy
01-01-2019 2:59 PM


Re: Started Fast at 7 PM Wednesday.
Doctors are supposed to be men of science, yes?

It is a big mistake to think of doctors as scientists (at least the ones who treat us, not research doctors). They really aren't even engineers. The closest analogy is that they are like auto mechanics taking their information from shop manuals plus a lot of guesswork.

Having said that, I should also say that I have great respect and admiration for all the doctors I have ever had. But that may be because I am an anti-Lammy: at age 79 I have never had a serious or chronic illness, never a broken bone, never spent overnight in a hospital except when I was born). And I use a health care service (Kaiser Permanente) that practices minimalist medicine. They pay their doctors a straight salary so there's no incentive to overprescribe medicine, tests or procedures, which works great for me.

Lammy, I am amazed at your medical history, that just changing eating habits resolved so many symptoms. There is a flurry of activity in medical research looking at the effects of our microbiome on our medical, emotional, and physical status. Perhaps it was the fellow travelers in your gut that were causing all the problems and starving them either killed off the bad actors or just got them to behave properly. I hate to suggest it, but it would be interesting and scientifically relevant to see if returning to your prior eating regime brought back the symptoms you suffered. It's in the cause of science.

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