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Author Topic:   YHWH, Yahweh, Jehovah, adonai, lord, elohim, god, allah, Allah thread.
Rei
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Message 5 of 298 (59640)
10-06-2003 2:49 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
10-05-2003 9:06 PM


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1. elohim - Hebrew generic word for god/a god or if you were Arabic speaking, Hebrew elohim, English god or Arabic allah (lower case) are the words for a god, whether pagan or otherwise.
Are you going to mention that Elohim is a plural noun? Long have people tried to explain this one away...
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2. adonai - hebrew generic word meaning a master or lord
Are you going to mention that Baal means 'master', and is used in places in the bible to refer El/Elohim/etc?
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3. Allah - (higher case proper name) The name ascribed by Mohammed to be the one and only supreme god. when he determined that the numerous gods/allahs which were once worshipped at Mecca were to be abandoned and that all were to worship his god, Allah. This name was at one time in pagan history ascribed to the moon god. This was the prominent god of Mohammed's ancestory. Many, including myself believe this is indicative of the crescent moon as the official Islamic religious symbold on flags and structures. Mohammed's father's name, in fact was Abd-Allah (meaning in English = slave of god).
Lots of misnomers. The moon god was Sin, not Allah. The sun was Shams/Shamash. Saying to people to abandon worship of multiple gods, and to worship Allah, is the equivalent of an english-speaking Christian saying to stop worshipping multiple gods, and worship God.
Allah is derrived from the same source as the Hebrew word Eloah (remember, the two languages diverged - Biblically, they split at Ishmael/Issac), one of the names of God (a singular form of Elohim) (see Psalm 18:31 for an example of its use). In short, Elohim is plural, but Allah is singular. Try that on for size. Also, in case you're not aware, "Islam" derrives from "salaam" (peace) (the hebrew equivalent is "shalom").
Eloah is used 42 times in the book of Job, for example, in reference to God.
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4. YHWH - literal Hebrew for the Biblical god, pronounced in Hebrew, Yaweh, in ancient English something like Eowah and in modern English (after J s and V s were added,) Jehovah Whether in Hebrew or in English, this is the official proper higher case name for the god of the Bible.
Not quite. This is the name that Moses is told. The original pronunciation of this name has been lost. Since languages change, and vowels don't exist for this word, there is no way to know how it originally was pronounced. "Jehovah" is not of English origin; it is often traced back to Pope Leo X's confessor, but has probably been around a while longer, at least since the 1200s.
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Note: Because of a superstition of the Jews during the last few centuries before Christ, the name YHWH/Yaweh was not to be spoken and word adonai/lord was usually substitued in translation of the name of the Hebrew god, Yahweh. Most of the NT translators have picked up on this so that's why the scores of texts in which the manuscript stated the name Yahweh/YHWH, it was changed to adonai/lord. The 1901 American Standard Bible (my favorite) is one of the ones which resisted this and correctly translated the Biblical god's name as written in the manuscript. Had the translators remained true to the literal manuscripts in translating, this confusion about Allah and Jehovah being one and the same would not be a problem as it is today. Your various translations will have the words elohim and adonai, i.e. god and lord in the higher case and capitalized. This was done for respect, but again, another deviation from the original manuscript in which these words were not intended as proper names.
Orthodox Jewish tradition disagrees with you. There are a list of names which historically have been viewed to be the names of God, and to be treated as sacred.
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6. The higher case (proper names) of either Allah or Elohim do not exist in any of the Hebrew Biblical manuscrips. elohim is always the lower case word meaning a god or the god and can refer to either Jehovah or any other god depending on the context.
What a deceptive remark (probably unintentionally, I'm sure). Are you unaware that hebrew doesn't have case? Neither does Arabic. Neither do most writing systems, for that matter. You seem quite unaware of this.
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Rei
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Message 78 of 298 (60950)
10-15-2003 3:32 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by Buzsaw
10-15-2003 2:14 AM


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When copying scripture, the scribes were required to copy a letter at a time, looking at the text and copying by the letter, not the whole word. This is how careful they were to get it right.
Then how do you deal with the Ezra/Nehmiah (and other parallel text) contradictions?
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Rei
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From: Iowa City, IA
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Message 87 of 298 (68978)
11-24-2003 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Buzsaw
11-22-2003 8:46 PM


Re: houri heaven
As I've mentioned before, the word "allah" is derrived form the same root as "eloah", one of the biblical names for God.
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Rei
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Message 125 of 298 (72426)
12-11-2003 11:25 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by Buzsaw
12-11-2003 11:11 PM


Re: Evolution vs. Creation In Situ of
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Are you going to yada and insult, Abshalom, or are you going to answer my question in post 120?
Wow, now that's quite the change. For once, I get to see Buzsaw bother someone else to try and get an answer to his questions.
The end must be nearer than we thought....
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Rei
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From: Iowa City, IA
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Message 130 of 298 (72439)
12-12-2003 12:08 AM


Praise be to Yihawaha; hallowed be His name. When we call out in our time of need, Yuwheh hears us. When we rejoyce, Yahiwuhi rejoices with us; for Yihwihu is the Lord our God. Praise be to Yuhuwh, the highest; praise be to yahuwuhi the all-powerful; praise be to the Lord Yihiwihi.
C'mon, Buz- how was it originally pronounced?
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