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Otto Tellick
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Message 290 of 298 (470215)
06-10-2008 1:17 AM
Reply to: Message 288 by sl33w
06-09-2008 5:26 PM


Re: God Is Teaching His Name Today
sl33w writes:
Applying the "science of observation," I have discovered the Hebrew rules of grammar.
Does your "science of observation" have anything in common with linguistics or philology?
"Hebrew is a language with 22 consonants and no vowels" - Encyclopedia.
This leads me to suspect that the answer to my first question might be "no". Which "encyclopedia" are you "quoting", by the way? Perhaps you simply misquoted -- maybe the original said something like this:
The writing system used by speakers of Hebrew consists of 22 distinct "letter" characters for consonants. There are no letter characters for the distinct vowel sounds in the language, although these can be marked using various patterns of dots (diacritics) placed below the consonant that precedes the given vowel in pronunciation; there is also a distinct diacritic mark to note the absence of a vowel, indicating that two consecutive consonants are pronounced without a vowel between them (as a 'consonant cluster'). However, in many documents, the diacritics are mostly or completely left out, and the placement and quality of the vowels must be inferred by the reader, based on knowledge of the language.
(I'm not actually quoting any specific source -- just recalling in my own words what I have learned about the language.)
Hebrew was and is a language spoken by humans. It has vowels between the various consonants -- always did and always will -- and their placement and quality ("a" vs. "i" vs "u", etc) is crucial for both articulation/perception and meaning/comprehension. In particular, a given string of consonants could be pronounced a few different ways (different placements and qualities of vowels among the consonants) and would mean different things as a result.
The fact that the Hebrews would opt for a writing system that does not explicitly display the vowels is unfortunate for those who don't know the language, but it's understandable as an economy of effort and resources for writers.
If your point is based on asserting that there were no vowels in the language, you're just making up nonsense. (And if some of the stuff that some people say about God were true, you'd probably burn in hell for that. -- I'm not one of those people, I was just surprised by what seemed like a very strange assertion about Hebrew.)

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