Is Hovind going to hell?

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Originally posted by Cobra_snake:
The ten commadments were created BEFORE Jesus Christ was sent to the Earth. The REASON Jesus was sent is because man was not responsible enough to even follow the simple commandments.

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So they are then superceded, obsolete, why not then, in the interests of keeping the message concise and consistent, expunge them from the bible as they obviously hold no further relevance....

The ten commandments are still a useful guideline towards the lifestyle God wants us to live.

I would say that we are still expected to follow them. That's what I was always taught, anyway.

Why should we follow the ten commandments, and not ALSO follow the other instructions given in the OT to the Jews? Both are the same - instructions given by God to the Jews as to how to live. Yet today, most christians would say we should observe the ten commandments; few would say we should also observe the six hundred and something other instructions on how to live. Why?

[QUOTE][b]Yet today, most christians would say we should observe the ten commandments; few would say we should also observe the six hundred and something other instructions on how to live. Why?[/QUOTE][/b]That was explained to me as being because, if the Jews couldn't hold themselves to all their laws, Gentiles shouldn't be asked to either.
Christianity is a more gregarious faith than Judaism and it is open to anyone (or really liberal Judaism for everyone + Messiah). Judaism, traditionally, is one based on family lineages and is not as gregarious. Sadly, this has caused them much hardship over the years.Why do Orthodox Jews still keep to their strict laws? Well remember, they aren't Christians and so they don't believe in the Christian covenant with God established through the death of Christ.

You do realise, Joz, that fun as hell is going to be, we are going to share it with Hovind,Gish , Morris, & most of the other liars, perhaps we should get our acts together.............Is the bourbon worth it? ...................The agony of choice!Mark------------------
Occam's razor is not for shaving with.

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Originally posted by mark24:
You do realise, Joz, that fun as hell is going to be, we are going to share it with Hovind,Gish , Morris, & most of the other liars, perhaps we should get our acts together.............

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Is the bourbon worth it? ...................

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The agony of choice!

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Mark

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Hell yeah....Just look on the bright side we get to rip the piss out of Hovind for all eternity..."hey Dr Dino what are you doing here, nasty shock for you eh?""phonecall for mr Hovind its st. paul says there has been an administrative error. *snigger he falls for that one every time*"

Or, "Would sinners please run to the shelters, the vapour canopy is collapsing, estimated time of impact 2 minutes" .........Of course , I would only do this to jump queue at the JD counter.....Anything else would be immoral!Mark------------------
Occam's razor is not for shaving with.

"Hey Kent look, a plesiosaur!!!"*SPLAT* as a rotting basking shark bounces off dr dinos cranium.....

hell go to hell if you he doesnt beg for forgiveness and have faith in god. simple as that.------------------
"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi

of course you might end up spending it with a million queers, eminem, pauly shore and numerous annoying people.------------------
"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi

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Originally posted by KingPenguin:
of course you might end up spending it with a million queers, eminem, pauly shore and numerous annoying people.

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How could it be hell with something as amusing as Eminem AND a million practitioners of alternate sexuality....On another note dr dino would find it far more disturbing than me....

yeah that could be really really funny------------------
"Overspecialize and you breed in weakness" -"Major" Motoko Kusanagi

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Originally posted by gene90:
[QUOTE][b]Yet today, most christians would say we should observe the ten commandments; few would say we should also observe the six hundred and something other instructions on how to live. Why?[/QUOTE]

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That was explained to me as being because, if the Jews couldn't hold themselves to all their laws, Gentiles shouldn't be asked to either.
Christianity is a more gregarious faith than Judaism and it is open to anyone (or really liberal Judaism for everyone + Messiah). Judaism, traditionally, is one based on family lineages and is not as gregarious. Sadly, this has caused them much hardship over the years.

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Why do Orthodox Jews still keep to their strict laws? Well remember, they aren't Christians and so they don't believe in the Christian covenant with God established through the death of Christ.

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Which is fair enough, and reasonable - but if that's the case, then why do christians have an obligation to keep the ten commandments? They're in precisely the sameboat.

[b] [QUOTE] That's not my interpretation, I can sin, & go to heaven.
[/b][/QUOTE]Yup, that's true. Even though you sin you can still go to heaven through Jesus. [b] [QUOTE] So are the commandments just that, or recommendations, because they have no relevance as to whether I go to heaven. They're not very "commanding" if I go to heaven anyway.
[/b][/QUOTE]They are commandments for how God wants us to live on earth. I believe that if you follow them you're life will be better. [b] [QUOTE] All I have to do is sin as much as I like, & accept Jesus. Whether you think I have accepted Jesus or not is subjective on your part. I may well accept him right at the end in the last breath of life I have. Get out of jail free.
[/b][/QUOTE]Well, the Bible says God is all forgiving. So I suppose you are right to a certain degree. But sounds kinda risky to wait your whole life because you never know when you'll die. [b] [QUOTE] So are the commandments just that, or recommendations, because they have no relevance as to whether I go to heaven. They're not very "commanding" if I go to heaven anyway.
[/b][/QUOTE]Oh I see what you mean. If they are commandmends then what is the punishment for not obeying them sense you can still go to heaven? I would have to say the punishments for not obeying the commandments would be received in life.