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Larni
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Message 6 of 56 (470750)
06-12-2008 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by no1nose
06-11-2008 10:14 PM


The similarity between xian belief and evolution are easy to see after the fact.
You could do the same with a virus: seeing xian thought as a virus that spreads via a host (and indead needs a host to carry on) would seem to cover all the bases.
I think if you look hard enough you can see anything in anything.
I remember hearing about a film once that cut from colour to black and white half way through: it was praised for it's avante guarde approach to film making and critics drew rich parallels with this and that only to find that the director ran out of cash and had to film in on cheaper b/w film.
The moral? We see what we want to see.
Science is not like that (or at least it has stringent checks that eventually weed out wishfull thinking).

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Larni
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Message 18 of 56 (470868)
06-13-2008 3:57 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by no1nose
06-12-2008 4:01 PM


no1nose writes:
The problem I have with the Theory of Evolution is that it is not at all contra intuitive. It is too plausible, too logical to be an accurate description of the natural world. It is something that exists only as images in our mind. It is a nothing more than a world view. And like some sociopath among Theories it has a sullied history associated with it. Mankind has a history of adopting world views that seem laughable in retrospect and I believe that this is just another episode of that scenario. As knowledge increases the Theory of Evolution will seem less and less relevant.
So, you are no longer interested in your OP and now your beef with evolution is that it's too plausible?
What kind of position is that?

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Larni
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Message 30 of 56 (471126)
06-14-2008 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by no1nose
06-13-2008 3:50 PM


No evolution
What you seem to forget is that Jesus did not breed and pass on his wonderful genes: no evolution.

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Larni
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Message 31 of 56 (471127)
06-14-2008 5:35 PM
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06-14-2008 12:37 AM


Re: nice observation
Tesla, this has nothing to do with the OP and it's a science topic so I don't know what your point is.

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Larni
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Message 33 of 56 (471152)
06-15-2008 6:09 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by no1nose
06-15-2008 5:05 AM


Re: Incompleteness Thought Experiment.
no1nose writes:
This being the case we are left with only the distorted images in our minds to use as a basis for a written description of the natural world and how it works.
So now Darwin used xianty as frame work for his ideas because only xianity could provide that frame work? And that the frame work of xianty is just as distorted as any human perception (unless you give it a free pass).
You honesty are proposing that he could not generate a hypothesis without xianity? And thast xianty was his direct inpiration?
I bet you love C.S. Lewis, neh?
Edited by Larni, : No reason given.

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Larni
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Message 39 of 56 (471341)
06-16-2008 6:35 AM
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06-15-2008 8:14 PM


Dude, using quote boxes will help make your post easier to read.
Just press peek (lower right of the dialogue box)
no1nose writes:
quotes are easy

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Larni
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Message 44 of 56 (471648)
06-17-2008 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by no1nose
06-17-2008 1:36 PM


no1nose writes:
When one surveys the natural world and the changes that do occur one must notice the trend toward beauty.
No one must not: is a naked mole rat beauty? Is a toad beauty?
no1nose writes:
If changes in the natural world were completely random then the world around us would have all the beauty of a junk yard.
It's a good job evolution is not random then.
no1nose writes:
Beauty in the natural world implies that these changes are driven by an observer.
No it does not. It implies that we have evolved a sufficiently complex sensory system to lable something as beautiful.
no1noses writes:
The lack of a role for an observer is yet one more piece of evidence against the Theory of Evolution as a valid description of the natural world.
The lack of an observer role indicates that evolution operates without intelligence.

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