THE Ultimate Theory

Pretty good but I would say GOD did bang that buck and ate the rotton milk but the meat begins.

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Originally posted by compmage:
And I find it unfortunate that generally intelligent individuals are unwilling or incapable of breaking their religious mental constraints and seeing the world the way it actually is.

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Well I thank you for your concern. However, I don't believe it is idiotic to believe in a religion. Some could probably make a pretty good case against atheism.

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Originally posted by Cobra_snake:
Well I thank you for your concern. However, I don't believe it is idiotic to believe in a religion. Some could probably make a pretty good case against atheism.

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Care to try?Besides, I wasn't refering to being theistic or atheistic, I was speaking about creationists who can't see past their particular interpretation of the bible. If they did they might notice that the universe is far more impressive than what they have been leed to believe.------------------
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Originally posted by compmage:
Care to try?

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Besides, I wasn't refering to being theistic or atheistic, I was speaking about creationists who can't see past their particular interpretation of the bible. If they did they might notice that the universe is far more impressive than what they have been leed to believe.

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Can an ‘unregenerate’ atheist give advice to a ‘regenerate’ believer regarding the universe being impressive. Cosmic Impressiveness is precisely the argument against atheism! Its precisely the reason men begin to infer an ID from the data, a Creator, a Judge, and/or a Savior.

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Originally posted by compmage:
Care to try?

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Besides, I wasn't refering to being theistic or atheistic, I was speaking about creationists who can't see past their particular interpretation of the bible. If they did they might notice that the universe is far more impressive than what they have been leed to believe.

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Can an ‘unregenerate’ atheist give advice to a ‘regenerate’ believer regarding the universe being impressive. Cosmic Impressiveness is precisely the argument against atheism! Its precisely the reason men begin to infer an ID from the data, a Creator, a Judge, and/or a Savior.

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Is God impressive? If so, was he created too? Seems an argument you will only accept when it suits.Mark------------------
Occam's razor is not for shaving with.

Hey Philip:I'm not going to argue with you about the universe being "impressive" or who's best to describe it that way. However, your statement that an argument from incredulity is the only way to view the world is a bit weak.

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Its precisely the reason men begin to infer an ID from the data, a Creator, a Judge, and/or a Savior.

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Although our knowledge in some areas may be weak or we may be missing some details today, I begin with the premise that there is nothing unknowable in nature. The universe, in the final analysis, makes perfect sense using known physical laws. The actions of a Supreme Being are not required to explain it. Peering through a microscope at the myriad of amazing organisms present in a sample of water from the leaves of a rainforest bromeliad — an entire ecosystem in a cup of water — I find myself marveling at their nearly indescribable beauty and complexity. How could these creatures exist? And then I remind myself that these organisms only appear complex because I am looking at the end result of billions of years of ruthless natural selection — they exist because their ancestors for millions of generations were slightly more fit than their competitors. No step on the path life took to achieve the complexity of the simplest one-celled bromeliad dweller can be analyzed or understood in the context of any subsequent step. Each must stand or fall on its own merit, with reference only to the preceding step. Life has no goal and is not moving toward anything. Life exists only in an eternal now. It has no purpose except to be. Life is, for me, all the more marvelous for that.I don't need the additional burden of an incomprehensible and ultimately unknowable entity to find Life (and by extension, the universe in toto) completely wonderful, fascinating, and, yes, impressive. The more I see and experience of the natural world, the more intricate, beautiful and precious it becomes to me.

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Originally posted by Philip:

Can an ‘unregenerate’ atheist give advice to a ‘regenerate’ believer regarding the universe being impressive. Cosmic Impressiveness is precisely the argument against atheism! Its precisely the reason men begin to infer an ID from the data, a Creator, a Judge, and/or a Savior.

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See Quetzal's reply in message 21. For me to add a god concept to explain even a small part of the whole would just cheapen the achievement. It would become far less impressive. However, being that I attemtp to follow the scientific method, if someone where to present evidence that would give a certain god complex the same support as the ToE or the Theory of Gravity, I would be force to conclude that there is a god, regardless of personal preference.------------------
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hmmmm........a little note on the impressiveness of the universe....Pretty much the whole of my immediate universe can be explained mechanically. Pretty impressive, I grant you; but nowhere is there anything that suggests supernatural forces. What would impress me, would be a state of affairs in which things works but for which there is not explanation. For example, imagine a body which does all the things humans now do, but if dissected is found to be perfectly homogenous. No organs, no bone, no electricity, no DNA, no blood.... nothing but the same molecule throughout. Or even better, nothing but the same indivisible atom-thingie. No particles, no chemistry, no quarks, no gravity.... blah, blah, blah......------------------
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