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Blue Jay
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Message 6 of 382 (496798)
01-30-2009 6:08 PM 		Reply to: Message 1 by Percy
01-30-2009 10:02 AM

Hi, Percy.
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Condemning evil is part of Christianity. And, since the extreme dualism of Christianity allows only two possibilites (good or evil), whenever a disagreement comes up, it only makes sense to assign one side as "good," and the other side as "evil," simply because "good" does not disagree with "good."
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Well, who's going to believe that their own side is the "evil" one?
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From there, black-and-white, absolute dualistic morality forbids any conclusion except, "you are of the Devil."
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I'm sure you know this already, but writing it made me feel better.
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-Bluejay/Mantis/Thylacosmilus
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Blue Jay
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Message 25 of 382 (497129)
02-01-2009 9:07 PM 		Reply to: Message 23 by Buzsaw
02-01-2009 8:17 PM

Theistic Evolutionists
Hi, Buzz.
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Buzsaw writes:
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Something I cannot understand is how theistic evolutionists are not considered creationists, Christian evolutionists in particular. If they're Christian, they are Biblicalists of some sort and the Bible is most certainly creationist.
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This suggests to me that you don't realize what the greater debate is really about.
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Here are a some different types of theistic evolutionist:
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  1. Deistic Abiogeneticists:
    God created the first life-form, and evolution took over from there.
  2. Facultative Theists:
    The origin of life and its history are best explained by their corresponding naturalistic theories, but God may have occasionally inserted, removed or altered something to point evolution in a direction He wanted.
  3. Darwinian God Proponents:
    Evolution is such a beautiful idea, only God could have come up with it.
  4. New-Age Gaea-God Hippies:
    The universe is God, including the environmental forces that drive evolution.
  5. Non-Creator Theists:
    There is a God, but He didn't create the universe.
  6. Pascalistic Skeptics:
    Evolution is real, but don't rule God completely out just yet.
  7. Chronically Indecisivists:
    Evolution is real, and God is real, to varying degrees at different times in my life.
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The point is that theistic evolutionists are simply people who both accept evolution and believe in some type of god. Since belief in a god isn't the issue in the EvC debate, then it isn't the distinguishing character between the two sides.
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That the evolution side contains a great diversity of philosophical and theological mindsets should be a good indication to you that the debate isn't about theology.
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Edited by Bluejay, : Underlining and new subtitle
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Edited by Bluejay, : Added Non-Creator Theists to the list
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-Bluejay/Mantis/Thylacosmilus
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Blue Jay
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02-02-2009 8:58 AM 		Reply to: Message 30 by PaulK
02-02-2009 1:51 AM

Re: Theistic Evolutionists
Hi, PaulK
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PaulK writes:
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WHere would those who believe that God created (and/or sustains) the natural forces we observe so that abiogenesis and evolution would occur, to produce intelligent life fit into your classification?
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Oh, it wasn't meant to be exhaustive: the point was just to show Buzsaw why theistic evolutionists shouldn't be considered creationists.
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But, what you're asking about was what I was calling the "Darwinian God Proponent."
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