Why Lie? (Re: Evolution frauds and hoaxes)

And it took 2,000 years to get the catholic church to officially admit that the Earth orbits the Sun, not the other way around.Science is about forming models to explain natural phenomena and then refining or throw those models out completely in the face of new evidence. It is inevitable that along the way there would be people that create hoaxes for fame and money. Excuse me? They? The hoax was done by one individual and then was exposed by other scientists later on. If anything, Piltdown man was a perfect demonstration of how science worked.At the time, the prevalent theory was that human evolution was led by the development of the brain before anything else. So, the model predicted that the missing link had to be an ape-like creature with a large brain. In the eyes of many, piltdown man confirmed this model.But the discoveries of fossils after fossils in Southern Africa of creatures with small brains but having more human features than ape made many scientists doubt the old model. Finally, the old model of brain first was thrown out due to overwhelming evidence. This led directly to the careful examination of the piltdown man supposed fossil. It turned out that the fossil was not a fossil at all but rather a grind down modern ape skull.That's what science is about. It's about collecting evidence and refining or discrediting old models and replace them with newer ones that fit better with the evidence.You seem to be under the ignorant notion that the strongest trait of science is its weakest. Remember that science is not religion. Scientific evidence are not written in stone like religious doctrine.Added by edit.The reason the piltdown man hoax was allowed to go on for so long was because of politics. The Brits wanted to find something, anything, to rival what the Germans found. The Germans were the first to discover Neanderthal fossils. Piltdown man fit perfectly the prediction made by the model at the time and it was British. For political reasons, scientists were prevented from closely examining the fake fossil for 40 years. Only after overwhelming evidence that contradicted the old model were scientists allowed to closely examine the fake fossil of piltdown man for the first time.This brings me to my next point. Politics and science is never a good mix. One reason why I am opposed to creationist's attempts at inserting their religion into the science classroom. They are using politics to do it rather than genuine science.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

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I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.

Just so you know, you're talking to real live physicists, biologists, logicians, mathematicians, etc., all of which are real live researchers in their own fields. What I've been seeing going on in this thread is that you have been assuming that these people have just about the same knowledge about these scientific disciplines as you do when in fact they actually know a lot more about them. In academia, there is more at stake in a person's career than any other field.Take the couple of research physicists who claimed to have invented cold fusion, for example. After it was proven by the rest of the scientific community that they were either in error or they fabricated their results, they couldn't even sell used cars.In academia, every published result is tested over and over by other groups of researchers to confirm the original claimed results. This is why the scientific community is built on trust. It's a group effort by hundreds of thousands of individuals who seek to stamp out frauds. And believe you me, nowadays if you want to create a hoax without being discovered by other researchers, it's even harder than turning water to wine.This is why some people on here have reacted to you the way they have. You've demonstrated that you have some of the most typical misconceptions about the theory of evolution as well as the scientific method as a whole. And yet you've claimed (in somewhat of an arrogant tone) that the hundreds of thousands of working scientists are wrong based on your misconceptions. This is the same as saying they are a bunch of dumbasses. Please keep in mind that these same dumbasses created anti-biotics that have saved literally hundreds of millions of lives and many other human discoveries and inventions that define the modern age.Creationism, on the other hand, have given us absolutely zip as far as human progress goes. All creationists are interested is using politics to insert the god of abraham into science text books. So, please understand why some people on here are frustrated.

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I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.

See, this sentence alone tells me you still have no idea what a scientific theory is.A theory is a working model that is built on mountains of data and confirmed hypotheses. Please try not to think of a scientific theory in the same light as a normal theory in everyday life. A normal person when having a flat tire might have a "theory" that his car ran over a sharp object of some sort. In science, that's not a theory.For 150 years, not a single person or organization has been able to come up with anything to disprove the theory of evolution. What we do see, however, are mountains of misrepresentations and outright lies from the creationist side.Here is a simple way at looking at this. Do you deny that mutation is inevitable? Do you deny that selective pressures can change over time? If you answer no to both of these questions, then you've admitted that evolution is inevitable. Evolution, by definition, is change in allele frequency over time. This is a working model because it is perfectly testable, and we see that the results confirm the model each and every time.

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I'm trying to see things your way, but I can't put my head that far up my ass.