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Buzsaw
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Message 1 of 23 (417768)
08-24-2007 12:15 PM


I heard on the news this AM that for the first time an empty space was discovered in the Constellation of Orion. I understand that the nebula has regions called North A, North B and South A and South B.
I have a question regarding this discovery and am hoping perhaps that someone apprised in astronomy can answer it. I'm submitting this in The Bible: Accuracy and Inerrancy since my question is Biblically relative.

My question is this: Which region of the constellation is this new relatively empty corridor or space located in?

According to Wikipedia there is a Northern region described as a dark lane extending from the north. Nothing here is mentioned about the dark area being empty, but is that perhaps the region which has been now discovered to be relatively empty?

Wikipedia writes:

The dark lane that extends from the north toward the bright region is called the "Fish's Mouth".


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_Nebula

I will waive my moderator status here and ask one of the other mods to promote this OP which I've submitted. I do not wish to address the possible Biblical aspect of this discovery at this time, but first try to determine which area of the nebula this discovery is located.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Message 2 of 23 (417772)
08-24-2007 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
08-24-2007 12:15 PM


It seems odd to promote a topic to a forum it may have nothing to do with. I really suggest that you either ask the question elsewhere (maybe in the topic for questions) or include your Biblical mateiral in the OP.

For your information, the Orion nebula is not the constellation (it is a nebula "in" the constellation - that is, it is in the same general direction, viewed from the Earth). The only information I have found so far on the location of the void is that it is "in" the neighbouring constellation of Eridanus, rather than Orion (of course, it is vastly further away than the stars of either constellation or the Orion nebula). Perhaps your source mentioned Orion because it is far better known.


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Buzsaw
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Message 3 of 23 (417806)
08-24-2007 6:29 PM


The Wikipedia mentioned the "constellation of Orion" and I was not aware that the Orion Nebula was part of the constellation. Thanks.

This is definitely a Biblical topic related to science, but as I stated I do not wish to address that until we determine where the relatively empty corridor is. There's a reason I want to do it this way which I will address if the topic is promoted.

AdminPaul, I do not wish to get into discussion and debate with you into this topic but my search states that the phenomenon is in the Orion constellation. I want to ask questions related to this phenomenon and discuss this in the open forum. If I have it wrong, I'd like some input from other members in otder that we may all hopefully learn something regarding this topic. Thanks.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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AdminCoragyps
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Message 4 of 23 (417814)
08-24-2007 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
08-24-2007 12:15 PM


Space.com says the feature is in the constellation Eridanus.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/070823_huge_hole.html

That's just west of Orion on the sky. The press release apparently doesn't give coordinates, but Eridanus was a constellation to the ancients. It's probably no good claiming "they drew the boundaries different back then." Eridanus was the sky counterpart of the Nile or the Euphrates, depending on where you lived in the old Middle East.

No prophecy that I can see here....

AbE: the galactic coordinates of this hole, l=209 and b=-57, are close to RA 3h15m and dec -20. That's over 30 degrees from the closest part of Orion.

Topic not promoted.

Edited by AdminCoragyps, : No reason given.


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Message 5 of 23 (417825)
08-24-2007 8:15 PM
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08-24-2007 7:02 PM


Admins Discussing Topic
Is this going to be a nonthread with discussion and debate between admins on the topic, or are we going to get on with matters pertaining to promoting or killing this thread?

Edited by AdminBuzsaw, : change user status and clarify statement.


For ideological balance on the EvC admin team as a Biblical creationist.
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AdminCoragyps
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Message 6 of 23 (417834)
08-24-2007 9:01 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by AdminBuzsaw
08-24-2007 8:15 PM


Re: Admins Discussing Topic
Give me something to promote, Buz, and I'll do it. Tau-4 Eridani isn't in the Bible; none of Eridanus is. Tell me what you have to talk about and I'll promote it.
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Buzsaw
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Message 7 of 23 (417851)
08-24-2007 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by AdminCoragyps
08-24-2007 9:01 PM


Re: Admins Discussing Topic
It's obvious that you and AdminPaul just don't want my topic aired and discussed. Please reread my OP and you will see plenty to promote unless you want to abuse your admin priviledge. I request that a more objective admin, one who is not my key antagonists as you and PaulK are so often in the debate issues.

I said I have search links (at least two of them) which state that this empty corridor is in the Orion Constellation. I want to see what others have to say about this. You have the power to close the thread after you see how it goes if you find that to be necessary.

Whether not this corridor is in the constellation Orion is debatable until discussion and/or debate is allowed to settle the issue.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.
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AdminCoragyps
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Message 8 of 23 (417865)
08-24-2007 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Buzsaw
08-24-2007 10:59 PM


Re: Admins Discussing Topic
I said I have search links (at least two of them) which state that this empty corridor is in the Orion Constellation.

Then post those puppies!

This one, this one, and my calculation of coordinates from galactic to equatorial all say it's in Eridanus. Don't confuse the lanes in the relatively nearby Orion Nebula with this new find - this thing is a billion times bigger.

Edited by AdminCoragyps, : million ---> billion


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Message 9 of 23 (417891)
08-25-2007 4:45 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Buzsaw
08-24-2007 10:59 PM


Re: Admins Discussing Topic
quote:

It's obvious that you and AdminPaul just don't want my topic aired and discussed.


As can be seen from my reply this is false. I simply want it promoted to the correct forum. I even attempted to assist you by providing the information you said that you needed (and should have found yourself).

quote:

Please reread my OP and you will see plenty to promote unless you want to abuse your admin priviledge.

At this point there is no content relevant to The Bible:Accuracy and Inerrancy forum. And if the void is in the wrong place would there ever be ? At present promoting it wuld be an abuse of privilege.

quote:

Whether not this corridor is in the constellation Orion is debatable until discussion and/or debate is allowed to settle the issue.

The question of where the void is, is not a subject for The Bible:Accuracy and Inerrancy unless the Bible says where it should be.
If, in your view the Bible, says where the void is then you can include that in the OP instead of waiting until the question of the actual location is solved. But I will not promote the OP to The Bible:Accuracy and Inerrancy until it contains some content relevant to that forum.


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Buzsaw
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Message 10 of 23 (417898)
08-25-2007 8:30 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by AdminCoragyps
08-24-2007 11:42 PM


Re: Admins Discussing Topic
This one, this one, and my calculation of coordinates from galactic to equatorial all say it's in Eridanus. Don't confuse the lanes in the relatively nearby Orion Nebula with this new find - this thing is a billion times bigger.

Thanks but no thanks for doing the topic before it is promoted posting your information. You and AdminPaul are proceeding into the topic matter with your stuff rather than promote my topic in which I want to discuss my topic. This is my thread. It is not your thread nor your topic.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Buzsaw
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Message 11 of 23 (417899)
08-25-2007 8:36 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by AdminPaul
08-25-2007 4:45 AM


Re: Admins Discussing Topic
AdminPaul, I need to leave for church now. I will respond to your message later today when I get back.

The OP is Biblically related as to why I do not want the Biblical in my OP. Before I get into the Biblical the cosmos must be discussed so as for me to know which way to go with my input.


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.
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Message 12 of 23 (417902)
08-25-2007 9:08 AM
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08-25-2007 8:36 AM


Re: Admins Discussing Topic
The OP gave the impression that the location of the void was a simple preliminary that might lead to a discussion of the real topic - if the answers were favourable. Now it seems that astronomy is the topic. Do you want this topic put into a forum suitable for discussing astronomical questions ?

{Added notes: I would suggest Big Bang and Cosmology, although it does not strictly belong there - but it is the forum most involved with astronomy. I should also add that the newly-discovered void has no connection to the channels in the Orion Nebula, so those are unlikely to be relevant}

Edited by AdminPaul, : No reason given.


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AdminCoragyps
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Message 13 of 23 (417939)
08-25-2007 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Buzsaw
08-25-2007 8:30 AM


Re: Admins Discussing Topic
You and AdminPaul are proceeding into the topic matter with your stuff

The "stuff" I have offered is the location of this "void" on the sky. It's not in Orion. It's not very close to Orion. Your sources are mistaken.

Your question in the OP was "Which region of the constellation is this new relatively empty corridor or space located in?" The answer is: "it isn't."

Edited by AdminCoragyps, : addition


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Buzsaw
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From: new york usa
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Message 14 of 23 (417952)
08-25-2007 3:23 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by AdminPaul
08-25-2007 9:08 AM


Re: Admins Discussing Topic
The OP gave the impression that the location of the void was a simple preliminary that might lead to a discussion of the real topic - if the answers were favourable. Now it seems that astronomy is the topic. Do you want this topic put into a forum suitable for discussing astronomical questions ?
{Added notes: I would suggest Big Bang and Cosmology, although it does not strictly belong there - but it is the forum most involved with astronomy. I should also add that the newly-discovered void has no connection to the channels in the Orion Nebula, so those are unlikely to be relevant}


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.
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Message 15 of 23 (417956)
08-25-2007 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by AdminPaul
08-25-2007 9:08 AM


Re: Admins Discussing Topic
AdminPaul writes:

The OP gave the impression that the location of the void was a simple preliminary that might lead to a discussion of the real topic - if the answers were favourable. Now it seems that astronomy is the topic. Do you want this topic put into a forum suitable for discussing astronomical questions ?
{Added notes: I would suggest Big Bang and Cosmology, although it does not strictly belong there - but it is the forum most involved with astronomy. I should also add that the newly-discovered void has no connection to the channels in the Orion Nebula, so those are unlikely to be relevant}

From my experience and according to Forum Guidelines, creos get trouble when posting Biblical issues in non-Biblical science forums. You should be aware of that.

AdminPaul, You two are turning this promotion proposal into an admin debate which the board does not need or want. I've been a moderator quite a lot longer than you, not that that matters except to say I have a pretty good handle on what goes where. So far as what's available in science, this Biblically relalitive cosmos topic needs to go in a Biblically relative science forum where the Bible can be applied in conjunction with cosmology. Either pee or get off the pot in performing your duty. This is getting beyond absurd.


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