Ignorant Creationists vs. Knowledgeable Evolutionists

Since this may now go on for a long, long time into the topic of complexity perhaps we should take it to one of the threads that was discussing that.How about:
Evolution of complexity/information

So you want to bring up "complexity" as some sort of support for your point of view but when questioned about it you don't have time?Buz, this is a much more complex issue (pun intended) than you realize. Well, I guess you realize a bit since you're smart enough to run from it. If you don't want to defend it then we will just pretend you had nothing to say on it. That, I guess, means that a whole series of your posts are founded on sand and can be disregarded.You're not the first one to think they could bring this up and prove something with it. However, no one has managed to stick it out.

Buz, your problem is you don't even understand that you haven't answered the questions.You have your own intuitive picture of what complexity is. That intuition is approximately what most of us would agree is complexity. However, to use this concept in a real discussion of the issues around the evolutionary process you have to have a much more precise idea than just a rough intuition.Asking you the questions is one way to show you that you don't really have the kind of grasp of this concept that you need. It really is a difficult, complex thing to deal with.Once you start to get it nailed down a bit what happens is that it is possible to show that evolutionary processes can produce whatever you define as complexity. Until you do that no progress can be made in the discussion.You seem to think that the human brain is somehow so marvelous that it is separated from all of nature around it. However, it isn't. Our brains are a continuation of the brains of our relatives and ancestors. We are, in fact, beginnig to uncover the specific genetic differences that have formed our brains. So far, it looks like the steps are achievable through the understood evolutionary processes.You may think you are being discriminated against Buz. What is being discriminated against is the kind of fuzzy thinking that you believe proves something. It turns out that some of this stuff is difficult. If you don't like that then stay off the topics that are hard.This message has been edited by AdminNosy, 11-18-2004 10:53 PM

Every so often I think Buz will "get it". Then we go back to this sort of reaction.

Children!