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Author Topic:   Ignorant Creationists vs. Knowledgeable Evolutionists
kc8rdb
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Message 1 of 196 (155460)
11-03-2004 11:59 AM


Why is it that so many Creationists show obvious ignorance when it comes to arguing against Evolution, but Evolutionists are usually fairly knowledgeable about both topics?

Nicole

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kc8rdb
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Message 3 of 196 (155462)
11-03-2004 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Adminnemooseus
11-03-2004 12:09 PM


Ignorant Creationists vs. Knowledgeable Evolutionists
In many of my discussions on another board that deals with the Evolution versus Creation debate, it has been my observation that the Evolutionists know far more about science than the Creationists. Why is this? Do you think that possibly Creationists are so content in their religious beliefs that they refuse to study other ways of looking at science? As of right now, I am a Creationist, who is studying into Evolutionary theory. The more I study and review the evidence, the more I tend to lean toward the Evolutionary line of thinking.

Nicole

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kc8rdb
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Message 15 of 196 (155856)
11-04-2004 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Gary
11-03-2004 1:20 PM


Re: Ignorant Creationists vs. Knowledgeable Evolutionists
This is kind of what I am going through right now. I am a Creationist, yet because of my lack of understanding I am going to the evolutionists for help. I have been studying evolution for almost a month now, getting most, if not all of my information straight from evolutionists. By doing this, I have discovered the problems that I mentioned earlier, and a few others besides.

Nicole

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kc8rdb
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Message 16 of 196 (155857)
11-04-2004 12:13 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by NosyNed
11-03-2004 6:58 PM


Re: Shoes on different feet.
That is sooo true. Studying science during gradeschool and even high school was a breeze (my school believes that the only "science" is Creationism). Studying evolution now is a challenge, not only because of the way I was taught science, but it also challenges my belief system as a Creationist.

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kc8rdb
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Message 21 of 196 (157608)
11-09-2004 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Gary
11-07-2004 2:03 PM


Re: Shoes on different feet.
I went to a private school in Michigan where it is legal for them to teach Creation as science.

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kc8rdb
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Message 22 of 196 (157610)
11-09-2004 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by jar
11-07-2004 2:32 PM


Re: Where is the conflict?
I agree with you here. I was raised in the "classic Creationist" tradition, and taught the arguments for Creation to the exclusivity of evolution. However, as I study more and more, I am finding out that this may not be the right approach. See why I am so confused? Most of what I have been taught about the origin of the earth is not what I am learning now. Make sense?

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kc8rdb
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Message 25 of 196 (157620)
11-09-2004 12:00 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by NosyNed
11-09-2004 11:51 AM


Re: Making sense of it all.
That is what I am currently trying to work out. For several weeks now I have been trying to systematically study into the theories of evolution, as well as the evidences thereof. I know that there is a wealth of information out there, so therefore a biology teacher out in Mississippi has been helping to guide my studies in this respect. He has recommended some biology textbooks, which I study when I can, and he is always there if I have any questions about anything. Also, there are several others that I talk to who are ready and willing to answer questions. From what I learn in this manner, I am able to draw my own conclusions that are based on logic and evidence. At this point in time, my search is far from over, but eventually I will arrive at a final conclusion. When that will be, I do not know.

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kc8rdb
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Message 26 of 196 (157625)
11-09-2004 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Loudmouth
11-09-2004 11:54 AM


Re: Where is the conflict?
Who is to say which is really right??? Sometimes when I am studying I begin to wonder which way is up, if you know what I mean.

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kc8rdb
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Message 66 of 196 (157936)
11-10-2004 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by NosyNed
11-09-2004 12:12 PM


Re: Making sense of it all.
I have attempted to be at least somewhat organized, yet every time I think I have the approach figured out, I am thrown another curveball, if you know what I mean. At first, everything was going fine in my studies-that is, until I ran across the problem of trying to make evolution "fit" with Genesis (my church and family take the entire Bible literally, not allegorically).
As far as what I think, I would have to say that I do not know. I am pretty sure that evolution did/does happen, yet there are still doubts in my mind. I have a lot more studying to do.

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kc8rdb
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Message 68 of 196 (157946)
11-10-2004 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by NosyNed
11-10-2004 10:03 AM


Re: Making sense of it all.
Yes, my faith is very important to me. However, I do not think that the entire Bible must be taken literally. The issue now is what should be taken literally, and what should not. If, what I found last night while searching Bible dictionaries, commentaries, etc. is truly correct, then evolution could have happened. I think that I am pretty close to a decision on that one-as of right now, that is.
Sorry about the misinterpretation. I really like the approach, and am trying to apply it the best I know how.

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kc8rdb
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Message 98 of 196 (158424)
11-11-2004 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by coffee_addict
11-11-2004 2:20 PM


Re: Ignorant creationists
Please excuse my ignorance here, but who is Brad McFall???

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